<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Martin Albisetti <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:beuno@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">beuno@ubuntu.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im">On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 4:41 AM, Benjamin Kerensa <<a href="mailto:bkerensa@ubuntu.com">bkerensa@ubuntu.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > Unfortunately all Ubuntu seems to be working on is features that<br>
>> > create privacy concerns (like the scopes sending search requests to<br>
>> > Canonical servers).<br>
>> ><br>
>> > ...<br>
>><br>
>> Ubuntu is an operating system, not a person. Neither you nor I get to<br>
>> decide priorities for Canonical engineers. But anyone is welcome to<br>
>> implement privacy features and propose them for inclusion in Ubuntu.<br>
>><br>
><br>
> Canonical Engineers have pretty much ignored the proposal of even one member<br>
> of the Ubuntu Tech Board in regards to user privacy.<br>
><br>
> What makes you believe if Canonical ignores a former security team<br>
> member/current tech board member and the EFF that they will give anyone<br>
> else's proposal the time of day?<br>
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</div>It was not ignored, it was read, understood and taken into account.<br>
The fact that someone thinks that within their own domain of<br>
expertise, a feature should be disabled, it doesn't mean that in the<br>
overall context it should.<br></blockquote><div><br>The person in question has perhaps the most foremost expertise on Information Security and Privacy in our community and perhaps in other communities as well. He is widely respected and I don't think its just his opinion. I think its widely held that the Amazon Scope is a privacy fail by community members at ever level of the Ubuntu project.<br>
<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
The trade-off of the scopes features was well understood and just like<br>
many other controversial decisions that have been made over the years,<br>
it was decided that overall it would benefit the project the most in<br>
the mid/long-term.<br></blockquote><div><br>I'm not saying all scopes are bad or privacy fails because not all scopes are install by default and not all scopes take users search queries in the home portion of the Unity Dash with such blatant lack of respect for user choice and privacy.<br>
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<div class="im"><br>
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> The sad thing is the community does nearly as much work to produce Ubuntu<br>
> but has almost no say in its direction or features.<br>
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</div>Please don't troll a random thread that only vaguely overlaps with a<br>
topic you are personally unhappy with. So far the conversation has<br>
been friendly, productive and positive.<br>
I expect much more from someone with a position of leadership in the<br>
community reviewing candidates for approval of official members, and<br>
so does the Code of Conduct[1].<br></blockquote><div><br>Really? You're going to try and throw the CoC in my face simply because I have raised a concern about privacy on a thread about privacy on a discussion mailing list. Talk about stifling discussion.<br>
<br>Where is it that Canonical feels its appropriate for Ubuntu Members to have discussion these days? Because so far my blog, social media accounts, mailing lists, IRC and forums are not appropriate venues for me to express my opinion if it be dissenting. <br>
<br>If you only expect discussion that conforms to some sort of criteria that is always agreeable to Canonical's decisions then you are going to narrow the audience that Ubuntu can target.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im"><br>
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> I think at this point the best option for privacy is to install a community<br>
> flavor.<br>
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</div>Or just perform 3 clicks and disable the scopes connecting to the<br>
servers to send your query and return smarter results.<br></blockquote><div><br>I really do not think you understand what Privacy is because the suggestion you have given has a lack of respect for control and choice by the user which in turn means it lacks privacy[1].<br>
<br>1. <a href="http://blog.sidstamm.com/2012/12/what-is-privacy.html">http://blog.sidstamm.com/2012/12/what-is-privacy.html</a><br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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[1] <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/conduct" target="_blank">http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/conduct</a><br>
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--<br>
Martin<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><font color="#333333" face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><i><b>Benjamin Kerensa</b></i></font><div><font color="#333333" face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><i><a href="http://benjaminkerensa.com" target="_blank">http://benjaminkerensa.com</a></i></font></div>
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