<html> <head> <style></style></head> <body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'><span style="font-size: 12pt;">> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 11:29:04 -0400</span><br><div>> From: brettcornwall@lavabit.com<br>> To: dmitrij.ledkov@ubuntu.com; ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com<br>> Subject: Re: Aptitude installed by default on 13.10?<br>> <br>> On 04/09/2013 08:21 AM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:<br>> <snip><br>> > Maybe I was not very explicit - all console applications are "niche"<br>> > on the Ubuntu (gui) Desktop. And vice versa, gui-desktop applications<br>> > are nice on the Ubuntu (console) Server.<br>> ><br>> > We have aptitude seeded where console is the default interface.<br>> ><br>> > On ubuntu-desktop the default interface is unity with preferred<br>> > package management using:<br>> > - dash application scope<br>> > - software updater<br>> > - software center<br>> ><br>> > Depending on the use-case/goal one uses one or combination of above.<br>> ><br>> I don't understand - why don't we just remove apt-get and make users <br>> install via the software center? Why not add-apt-repository, scp, top? <br>> My suggestion was just to add aptitude because it's the recommended <br>> package-management tool from the community that basically makes all the <br>> packages possible for this project.<br>> <br>> So the drawbacks of including aptitude seem to be:<br>> <br>> 1) It takes up 2 MB of space</div><div><br></div><div>2 mb more no makes the difference..</div><div><br>> 2) Dependency resolution might have to actually be tested (instead of <br>> making every stupid package just depend on ubuntu-desktop or xorg?). ;)</div><div><br></div><div>+1</div><div><br>> <br>> > On Ubuntu Desktop we want to discourage usage of command line =) as<br>> > there is no need for that for non-developers.<br>> <br>> I see, so an OS for 'everyone' shouldn't even have gnome-terminal <br>> installed at all - make people switch to a VT (and why hasn't that been <br>> disabled by default? I'd bet my life savings that every user has <br>> accidentally hit CTRL+ALT+F1 at least once on their Ubuntu use - now <br>> THAT'S an issue to really actively prevent). There are some strange <br>> priorities set based on these phobias. Again, I'm not suggesting an <br>> arbitrary specialized tool like vim/emacs get included, I'm suggesting <br>> the addition of the endorsed CLI package management tool from the Debian <br>> project be included. So if the project were to (understandably) want to <br>> include only one CLI tool to use, why not aptitude? As stated, it's <br>> already officially supported on ubuntu-server, why not include it on <br>> ubuntu-desktop and drop apt-get to reduce a package to have to <br>> officially support?<br>> <br>> And who said I was a developer? I'd only be so lucky to be able to claim <br>> that title.<br>> <br>> <br>> -- <br>> Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list<br>> Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com<br>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss<br></div> </div></body> </html>