I really do think bugs will hurt the long term health of the project. Up through 11.04 I had always gotten a few bugfixes with each upgrade. I had a few random bugs that I was living with, but for the most part everything worked. I had 3d acceleration with my nvidia card, I could use a second monitor, I could close the lid to suspend the machine, and in general it just behaved as expected. With 11.10 I lost the ability to suspend (now the machine becomes non-responsive when I close the lid), I gained a 3d rendering bug that was originally reported a month after 11.04 that affects my second monitor, I cannot even rely on the pixmaps for my icons loading because sometimes I get just get blank little rectangles. If I wanted mysterious bugs I would have stuck with windows, most Linux advocates tout stability however I cannot see doing that with 11.10. By any measure Gentoo was more stable than this release :( . Because no one else seemed willing to check, compact view does remove the needless amount of margin, but also switches to a more list-like look and changes the scrolling to horizontal. I checked in Nautilus 2.32.2.1 the version that ships with 11.04 with all updates applied. What kind of QA process is there before a release, how can I help with that? <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Martin Owens <<a href="mailto:doctormo@gmail.com">doctormo@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="im">On Tue, 2011-10-18 at 22:15 -0400, nick rundy wrote: > Yet the bug has existed for more than 3 years. Sadly, the same can be > said for many other bugs. </div>To be fair to the bug: * No one answered the question 'did you try compact layout' * Nautilus is a 'special' codebase which I wouldn't want to touch again this side of the 21st century, ugly and duplicative spaghetti. * Anything to do with how something looks, workflow or speed is not going to get fixed by the fire fighters or cathedral builders. * These types of bugs are too big/complex for quick patches and too small or unimportant for critical attention. * Nouser continues to pay for bug fixes, no economics and no other relationship between programmer and user. The gnome programmer deals with bugs as he feels like it and expects patches. I understand your point Nick, I'd really like a cycle that focuses _only_ on bug fixing and nothing else. But I'd also like a cycle that took everyone off coding to train a 100 new kernel hackers and 50 new xorg slaves. If wishes could be put in dishes the world would be delicious. Best Regards, Martin Owens -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss</a> </blockquote></div> -- - Joe Toppi (402) 714-7539 <a href="mailto:Toppij@gmail.com" target="_blank">Toppij@gmail.com</a>