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On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 13:19, Scott Kitterman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ubuntu@kitterman.com" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(42, 93, 176); ">ubuntu@kitterman.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<div><br><br>"Danny Piccirillo" <<a href="mailto:danny.piccirillo@ubuntu.com" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(42, 93, 176); ">danny.piccirillo@ubuntu.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>>Of course it is! At least according to our philosophy:<br>
><a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(42, 93, 176); ">http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy</a><br>><br>>Still, many people don't think that Ubuntu is truly committed to free<br>
>software in practice. These people can and should be our allies. Their<br>>concerns are valid, and they are not difficult to appease. I'd like to<br>>present a short list of simple ways that Ubuntu could show it's commitment:<br>
><br>>1. Offer ways to easily purge all non-free software from one's system.<br>> * This would require supporting the linux libre kernel (it doesn't have to<br></div>>be by default, but the option should be available.<br>
<br>No. It doesn't. That kernel removes the ability to run non-free drivers. The exact same amount of non-free code runs if you don't have any installed. Just about the last thing Ubuntu needs is the maintenance overhead of another kernel that only serves ideological purposes.<br>
<br>There is already a free software only install option that not only will not install anything non-free, it also disables the restricted and multiverse repositories so that people who are concerned about this can safely install new packages without fear of contamination.<br>
</blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Yes, the free software only option is there, but isn't entirely free. That's what linux-libre is for. Linux libre should be the kernel for the free software install. Mainline Linux is not free because it includes binary-only firmwares hidden as source code files (or blobs) </div>
<div><br></div><div><br>On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 13:23, Alan Pope <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alan@popey.com" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(42, 93, 176); ">alan@popey.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
Hi Danny,<div class="im" style="color: rgb(80, 0, 80); "><br><div><br>On 9 June 2010 17:57, Danny Piccirillo <<a href="mailto:danny.piccirillo@ubuntu.com" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(42, 93, 176); ">danny.piccirillo@ubuntu.com</a>> wrote:</div>
<div>> Their<br>> concerns are valid, and they are not difficult to appease. I'd like to<br>> present a short list of simple ways that Ubuntu could show it's commitment:<br><br></div></div><div class="im" style="color: rgb(80, 0, 80); ">
How about answering the questions/concerns posed to you in the other<br>threads you've raised today and engage in the discussion rather than<br>fire-and-forget. You're in danger of falling into the same behaviour<br>
as other FSF members before you.</div></blockquote></div></div><div><br></div><div>I already apologized for stepping out of line and being much too imposing rather than inviting to encourage people who care about free software to join the LibrePlanet project. I liked the responses i got, and i appreciated the points that were raised. I said that already. </div>
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