I don't think there's any use discussing whether we think a GUI or CLI is better. Shouldn't we focus on what the typical business wants and what they're prepared to use?<div><br></div><div>Although it seems that the first topic to discuss is how the uid/gid system can be changed or mapped to support local and domain accounts (forgive me if I'm not using the correct terminology).</div>
<div><br></div><div>-Ryan</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Onno Benschop <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:onno@itmaze.com.au">onno@itmaze.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="im">On 23/10/09 07:04, Chris Jones wrote:<br>
> But we shouldn't be encouraging the use of a GUI inside a server<br>
> environment simply because it breeds dumb users.<br>
><br>
</div>While I agree that users, well "sysadmins" (and I use the term loosely)<br>
are getting dumber in the world, I don't think it's because of a GUI. I<br>
have seen plenty dumb things in CLI environments - Netware used to be a<br>
CLI environment and I saw much that made me shudder. In the "good old<br>
days" of DOS you could do plenty of dumb things with its CLI.<br>
<br>
I don't think that the GUI is breeding dumbness as such. I'm sure that<br>
it's a contributing factor.<br>
<br>
Education is the key. It's always been the key, and it will continue to<br>
be the key.<br>
<br>
When You Earnestly Believe You Can Compensate For A Lack Of Skill By<br>
Doubling Your Efforts, There's No End To What You Can't Do.<br>
<br>
<br>
For me if a GUI helps me solve a problem by explaining what's going on,<br>
it's done its job.<br>
<br>
A final thought, which I've not come across. In the early '90s, Apple<br>
had an OS called AU/X, which was a murder between BSD and UNIX. It had<br>
one redeeming feature. If you were on a CLI and you typed a command and<br>
pressed Apple-Enter, you'd get a dialog that provided you with a GUI to<br>
that command. It allowed you to "compose" a command and on completion,<br>
you'd be back at the CLI, ready to run the tool.<br>
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