<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 7:46 AM, J. Lennard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lennard90@yahoo.com">lennard90@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi list,<br>
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First I'm sorry to write what may appear as a rant, but I hope it is not considered so. I'm writing to express huge instability problems in Ubuntu 9.04. I migrated from ubuntu 8.04 (386) to ubuntu 9.04 (amd64) using a simple clean install.<br>
</blockquote><div> <br>It's not a rant as long as you detail your problems and don't yell "Ubuntu Sucks" every sentence just because :)<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
First, I'd like to mention that I have *zero* proprietary drivers (nvidia blobs, etc) or extensions (flash) installed.<br></blockquote><div><br>Good to know.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I don't really know where to start. During past month, my machine constantly went to trashing mode where the hard-disk light is constantly on and I can't access anything or even swtich to linux console for several *minutes*. This has occured more than four times although all I usually run is a pdf viewer, an mp3 player, emacs, and firefox with simple html pages (not even gmail, flash, etc).<br>
</blockquote><div> <br>It sounds like you've run out of ram and started swapping, but with only those apps open there's no way you should be using >1 GB of memory.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I can't really understand how this can happen. Several times, and after a day or two of use, firefox, with *one* simple html tab open took 340+ MBs; that's insane. Evince took 120MB while only a single pdf file was open. Even Xorg was taking RAM around a hundread megabyte.[1]<br>
</blockquote><div> <br>Firefox has some memory issues, however I believe they were actually worse in the 2.0 version that shipped with Ubuntu 8.04. The good news is that 9.10 will ship with Firefox 3.5, which has resolved 99% of these issues.<br>
<br>Ram usage for X really depends on the driver. On my system, X takes ~120MB on boot, but never grows significantly beyond that (proprietary ATI driver). Without the proprietary driver it starts much lower, but climbs slowly over time. The intel drivers in 9.04 are known to be generally terrible for various reasons (also fixed in 9.10), so if you have an intel card then that's the likely culprit.<br>
<br>I can't speak for evince.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
The second problem is that the GUI is *really* slow, and I use *zero* visual effects. Switching between workspaces is very sluggish where I see parts of firefox in my audacious window for about half a second while switching between workspaces. Switching between applications (alt+tab) is not smooth at all.<br>
</blockquote><div> <br>Again, if you have an intel card, I'd be tempted to blame it on the graphics drivers. I wasn't closely following that part of the 9.04 cycle, so I can't speak for why we ended up shipping a somewhat broken driver in a supposedly stable release, but if someone with a bit more knowledge of what happened wants to step in and explain, please do.<br>
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The third thing, which is disastrous and never occurred to me before using Ubuntu (and I've been using Ubuntu since Ubuntu 5) was constant and *systematic* audio skipping while doing *any* task. Heck, I swear simple switching between workspaces sometimes lead to several audio skipping.<br>
</blockquote><div> <br>That's weird. Pulseaudio has been around since 8.04, so this is definitely a regression. I guess all you can do is file a bug (include your audio card model) and hope it's fixed for Karmic.<br>
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I'm sorry, this is my worst Linux experience ever, but thankfully Ubuntu 8.04 works beautifully here that I'm thankful after all. It's really sad my favourite OS reached this level of instability and bloat, but hey, I at least have 8.04 till 2011, which I couldn't ask for more.<br>
</blockquote><div><br>This is not a typical experience: 9.04 is the first Ubuntu release <i>ever </i>which I am staying with for more than one cycle, simply because it has been so stable for me :) I would say you simply had really bad luck with your combination of hardware. It doesn't excuse the fact that regressions shouldn't happen, but please don't assume that the distro as a whole has reached that level of instability.<br>
</div></div><br>I hope you have better luck with 9.10 or 10.04.<br><br>Evan<br>