Wait, I have a new proposal! Let's <b>not</b> include Empathy in Karmic, but plan on including it in Karmic +1 (and <i>announce</i> this)<div><br></div><div>Why? Well, it will still give Empathy the attention it needs from developers to fix the bugs that would be considered regressions during the switch without actually replacing Pidgin before they're fixed. Aren't i brilliant? </div>
<div><br></div><div><i>On the other hand</i>, it might <b>still</b> be preferable to include Empathy in Karmic to have more of a guarantee that bugs will be fixed in time for the 10.04 LTS release. As someone <a href="http://pinstack.blogspot.com/2009/06/replace-pidgin-with-empathy-in-karmic.html?showComment=1245133369575#c6152600795066756079">commented on my last post</a>: </div>
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Empathy has been the top active project in Gnome for the last few weeks, with about 100 commits a week on average. The pace of development is astounding. Once the move to Empathy is the default, Ubuntu can start depending on it for other applications' communication needs (using Tubes). Gnome Games are getting Tubes support. Vino just got Tubes support, meaning that you can share your desktop with your contacts in Empathy.</blockquote>
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I understand why 8.04 didn't ship with Empathy, but the change needs to happen. Empathy is 95% there. The needed changes can be made before Karmic if Ubuntu (and Canonical) commits to it. If 9.10 ships with Empathy, all the major bugs will be worked out by 10.04. Who wants to add yet ANOTHER new technology to another LTS.</blockquote>
</div><div><br></div><div>So, what shall it be? <a href="http://pinstack.blogspot.com/2009/06/empathy-in-ubuntu-karmic-910-or-karmic.html">Karmic 9.10, or Karmic +1 10.04 LTS</a>? </div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
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</blockquote></blockquote><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 00:44, Asif Youssuff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:yoasif@gmail.com">yoasif@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="im">On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 17:36 -0400, Danny Piccirillo wrote:<br>
</div><div class="im">> IMHO Empathy is great for most users, especially new ones, and it can<br>
> replace poth pidgin AND ekiga. It lacks the basic features like the<br>
> ones you mentioned, but i don't think they are showstoppers and<br>
> including it in Karmic or the next release i'm sure would guarantee<br>
> that all of those would be resolved within the release cycle.<br>
<br>
</div><div class="im">I've been playing with Empathy for a while, and it has an extremely<br>
annoying behavior -- when a message is received from a person without an<br>
open conversation open, the alert comes up in the notification area, and<br>
does not spawn a new window -- this is unlike any other IM application I<br>
have ever used.<br>
<br>
Why do i need to click on the icon when in Pidgin (or other IM apps), I<br>
can simply switch to the new conversation tab? Having to move my hand<br>
from the keyboard is extremely annoying in this case.<br>
<br>
Also, most of the time, I don't even notice that I have a new<br>
conversation, since I don't look at the notification area often -- this<br>
means that friends can leave messages, and leave before I have the<br>
chance to respond, simply because I never noticed that i received an IM,<br>
even though I was actively using the application.<br>
<br>
I filed a bug report, and didn't get a friendly response, sadly.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=585914" target="_blank">http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=585914</a><br>
<br>
The response I got was "we don't popup a window in the face of the user<br>
to not steal focus" -- you can read the bug report for more.<br>
<br>
So for me, empathy is NOT ready to replace pidgin, as it presents a<br>
usability regression for me.<br>
<br>
-Asif<br>
<br>
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