I know I was defending Transmission, but I just had a bad experience with it, checked on their forums, and it seems to be a fairly common thing. I don't normally turn off my computer when I'm downloading something big, but yesterday I was downloading a torrent which was coming rather slowly, and decided I'd continue in the morning. I closed transmission properly, and shut down. Upon reopening Transmission it had lost most of the 350mb I had downloaded, it had only managed to preserve 20. As I said, there are other people complaining about this on their forums. So, while I prefer the look and feel of Transmission, I've now started using deluge... I agree with Remco in that it would be perfectly adequate to simply have a dialogue prompting to install a torrent handler, as we now do with certain audio-video codecs. After all, if you're torrenting, you must have a net connection. <div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 8, 2008 5:10 PM, A. Walton <<a href="mailto:awalton@gmail.com">awalton@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">On Feb 7, 2008 7:46 PM, Remco <<a href="mailto:remco47@gmail.com">remco47@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > I noticed I didn't actually send this to the list... here it is. > > Remco > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Remco <<a href="mailto:remco47@gmail.com">remco47@gmail.com</a>> > Date: Feb 6, 2008 3:33 AM > Subject: Re: Transmission as default bittorrent client > To: Bryan Quigley <<a href="mailto:gquigs@gmail.com">gquigs@gmail.com</a>> > > > On Feb 6, 2008 2:44 AM, Bryan Quigley <<a href="mailto:gquigs@gmail.com">gquigs@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > > My initial reaction was similar. However, in transmissions favor > > Memory usage (quick test) > > Deluge at 23 Mb > > Transmission at 7 Mb > > > > The interface also seems more transitional from the previous integrated > > client. I think one of the big factors is that deluge has a wizard to get > > you setup while transmission just works. > > It's true that Deluge has a wizard (which you can skip if you really > want). However, two of these settings are very important: Maximum > Upload Speed and Maximum Connections. If you don't set a maximum > upload speed, your download speed will plummet, and you'll have > trouble reaching websites. And many cheap routers crash when they have > to deal with the amount of connections bittorrent-traffic usually > consists of. Not setting these right will make an app Just Not Work > (tm). > > If there is consensus on which misfeatures really kill the chance of > Deluge becoming the default app, I could direct the Deluge-devs to > these concerns. Due to Deluge's modular architecture, anything can be > moved from default to plugin. > > So far, I've seen: > * High memory usage. > * High file size. > * Obscure features that should be a plugin. > * Wizard-based configuration over sane-default. > > I've run Transmission, and one thing I like is that it chooses a > random port, and opens it with NAT traversal. No configuration > required. The rest of the application is too limited for my taste. > With Deluge I can easily extend the features by selecting a few > plugins. I think file size could be reduced by actually not including > the plugins by default. > > I think, if the Deluge-devs would want to resolve these concerns, > Deluge would be a far better choice. > * It's more popular. > * It has features people need that Transmission misses. > * It's easily extendable. > * It looks like µTorrent & Azureus. > * It runs on Mac & Windows (helps acceptance by slow migration). > > > Remco > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss</a> > </div></div> To be honest, I don't see the need to include a Bittorrent client by default at all; it's always going to be this kind of war: "My client's better and I'll tell you why". I think if Ubuntu's going to include one at all (and waste the CD space on it for those users who don't know what a torrent is, never used it before, and maybe never will), it should be one that's small, wasting as little space as possible, and extremely simple to use. Gnome-BT fit that bill, but is completely unmaintained. The next rung up the ladder is Transmission (and even the developer of Gnome-BT acknowledges this: <a href="http://gnome-bt.sourceforge.net/" target="_blank">http://gnome-bt.sourceforge.net/</a> ). Even if you disagree with the client, don't like it, don't use it, it doesn't matter: as soon as you install Ubuntu, you're going to choose your favorite client anyway. But you're not the average case here. BitTorrent is widely accepted amongst some circles, especially us, the Free Software world, as it's a great way to distribute new versions of our software. It's not as widely accepted outside of our world: your mother would probably look at you cross-eyed if you told her to "download the latest version of Ubuntu with BitTorrent." In the latter case, Transmission wins that hands down. Continuing this discussion ad nauseum may make you feel better, but I don't think it's likely to change much. The situation is, Ubuntu is for Human Beings, not just geeks and torrenters. The Deluge packages are in the archives, anyone who's upset about Transmission can easily go grab a different client, and Synaptic/apt-cache brings up a whole list of them to choose from. Everyone's got an opinion on this one, which is why it's probably best to stick with the absolute bare minimum (or none at all, I'm hugely in favor of saving the CD space for other, more important things, and letting someone double click a "Torrent" file and have a nice dialog pop up saying "You currently do not have a handler registered for file type "Torrent", would you like to install a program that manages these files?"). But then again it's probably just easier to ship Transmission, especially when that average human model's not going to have a clue which torrent client to pick out of the lineup, and in the likely case they'd actually want to use it, they just want to download something and get it over with. 2c. -A. Walton <div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"> -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss</a> </div></div></blockquote></div> -- Slingshot - a unique game everyone enjoys - and it's free :-) <a href="http://www.slingshot-game.org">http://www.slingshot-game.org</a>