I think it's used widely. And if I think it is, and you think it isn't, then sensible conclusion to draw is that in some circles it's used widely, in others it's not. so overall it's used quite a bit. I have to say I don't know anybody (business owners aside) that uses a finance manager on their PC - again, that doesn't mean it's not used, but certainly in my experience it's used less often than a VOIP service. And yes, the VOIP tool which is vastly more popular than any other is skype - but I don't think we should include it. Ideally what we need to include is a skype-ish tool, something like wengo (I've not tried wengo). I've never had any success using ekiga, never. Of course the problem with migrating people from skype to other things is that they know people on skype. It's like msn messenger, how many people are linux/FOSS users and use something like pidgin to access an msn account for instant messaging? <div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 1, 2008 5:09 PM, Evan <<a href="mailto:eapache@gmail.com">eapache@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> I'm just saying that it isn't used widely enough to be included in the cd. Certainly leave it in main, but I don't think voip in general is popular enough (yet) to include a client. A finance manager like Gnucash is much more likely to be used by the default user. Evan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss" target="_blank"> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss</a> </blockquote></div> -- Slingshot - a unique game everyone enjoys - and it's free :-) <a href="http://www.slingshot-game.org"> http://www.slingshot-game.org</a>