Unfortunately, and I say this as a Skype using hypocrite, it'll be fairly hard to pull any newcomers to anything but Skype. It's just what they know, brand recognition, they thing calls on your computer, Skype, not SIP itself or open source shells/GUI clients for it. I am however all for trying to make people change their mind, have both a standard SIP service, and skype right now. The better the client we include, that is *obvious* to people, the better the chance we had. <div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 31, 2007 3:03 PM, Neal McBurnett <<a href="mailto:neal@bcn.boulder.co.us">neal@bcn.boulder.co.us</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 01:41:20PM -0500, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > I've tried, unsuccessfully, to use Ekiga a few times. I got > Wengophone to work once. I know a lot of other people have had > issues with Ekiga not connecting to anything. Maybe that's changed > since Dapper, but I don't know. It didn't work for me with > Feisty--that's when I tried Wengo. > > On Dec 30, 2007 10:22 AM, Evan <<a href="mailto:eapache@gmail.com">eapache@gmail.com </a>> wrote: > I'm sure there have been long discussions on these > before, but here are my suggestions: > > Remove > -ekiga (very few people use voip, and most of those that > do use skype. leave it in the repos if you must, but it > makes no sense to have it on the cd) It is clear to me that we need at least one free, best-of-breed VOIP app shipping with Ubuntu. VOIP is steadily increasing in popularity. Providing free standards-compliant end-to-end VOIP is an important alternative to the phone companies and others trying to turn it into a proprietary ghetto. <a href="http://www.joeterranova.net/2007/10/09/why-i-hate-vonage/" target="_blank"> http://www.joeterranova.net/2007/10/09/why-i-hate-vonage/</a> Skype is not only non-free, but it is anti-open in the sense that it does not interoperate with other VOIP apps or use a standard protocol. It is worse than cell phones in the years before we required portability of phone numbers between providers. In these days of the opening up of cell phone interoperability between providers, I think the last thing we should encourage is that Ubuntu users use Skype. I've had success with ekiga. Removing it from main without a free alternative would be a setback. Neal McBurnett <a href="http://mcburnett.org/neal/" target="_blank">http://mcburnett.org/neal/ </a> -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss" target="_blank"> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss</a> </blockquote></div> -- Cheers, Bryan