I agree entirely, the user shouldn't have to say, "no, don't do it" they should have to say "yes, now is a good time". <div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 22, 2007 10:46 AM, Chris Martin < <a href="mailto:chris@martin.name">chris@martin.name</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div link="blue" vlink="blue" lang="EN-AU"> <div> I have been following this and I thought I would add my 2 cents worth (1) At shutdown is good (2) Timeout/interuptable – is good (3) BUT. The default action should be "No Action" At shutdown the user is prompted that a file system check is required When the timeout occurs (it should be short – say 30 seconds) the default should be to skip it until the next shutdown IE the user has to explicitly select that now is a good time to do the fsck. One the fsck is complete the machine turns off as usual <div> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Martin m: 0419 812 371 e: <a href="mailto:chris@martin.name" target="_blank">chris@martin.name</a> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- </div> <div style="border-style: none none none solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color blue; border-width: medium medium medium 1.5pt; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 4pt;"> <div> <div style="text-align: center;" align="center"> <hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"> </div> From: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel-discuss-bounces@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">ubuntu-devel-discuss-bounces@lists.ubuntu.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel-discuss-bounces@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">ubuntu-devel-discuss-bounces@lists.ubuntu.com</a>] On Behalf Of Jonathan Musther Sent: Saturday, 22 December 2007 5:54 AM To: Aurélien Naldi Cc: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Subject: Re: fsck on boot is major usability issue </div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"> If it was moved to shutdown, I would assume that the user would be able to skip it, or better yet they would be prompted. I have been contacted by autofsck users who have turned off a laptop and then closed the lid immediately (or turned off a desktop and immediately switched off the monitor) and not noticed the autofsck dialogue, one user's laptop remained powered on until the battery was flat. In that particular case it was in his laptop bag on a bus journey, not the best place to have a powered up hard drive. The latest version now contains a timeout, if no selection is made within 2 minutes, the machine will shut down without running the check. There's also an audio prompt to try to combat this. The way I see it, if somebody turns on a computer, it doesn't matter whether they absolutely need it right now, say for a presentation, but they certainly want to use it now. When most people shut down, they don't care as they're no longer using it, with the addition of an autofsck style prompt, they can postpone it if they need to. Every time a new feature in a new version of Ubuntu means faster boot times, this is publicised as a great thing, I find it odd that at the same time we allow one in every 30 boots to be very, very long (with modern sized disks). <div> On Dec 22, 2007 2:20 AM, Aurélien Naldi <<a href="mailto:aurelien.naldi@gmail.com" target="_blank">aurelien.naldi@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <div> On ven, 2007-12-21 at 08:13 -0500, Evan wrote: > My personal preference would be to move it to shut-down, but an > interruptable check on boot is better than nothing. Just my two cents. </div> I'm not sure that moving it to shutdown is a proper solution. Think about a laptop shuting down because its battery is nearly empty: how good is it to slow down the shutdown and risk a brutal power off ? Also, I'm often waiting for my computer to shutdown before leaving, I don't want to be late because of a fsck. 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