My opinion on Ubuntu cancelling Intel 80386/80386-clone processor support

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Sun Sep 18 12:14:55 UTC 2016


Ralf Mardorf schreef op 18-09-2016 7:19:

> Perhaps the data is already there, but not in the way you wish. Maybe
> it's a complete step into another direction. It might be just the first
> step, of other steps, that maybe will follow one after the other.

I'm not sure what you are on, or on about...

I am sure you are talking about packaging i386-32-bit apps as "snaps"?

> A super wild ass guess http://snapcraft.io/ . Since you like data, at
> least by Arch it never ever will be adapted. Mentioning Arch, just
> because it's available by the Arch user repository and got a single
> vote there, is confronted with alternatives to snapcraft, that are much
> more accepted outside of the Ubuntu community. Let alone that for
> Archers the complete approach is less interesting at all. Following
> Arch mailing lists, I know what I'm talking about. OTOH if you follow
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/snapcraft you would notice
> that it's a pet issue of Mark Shuttleworth. Note, I do _not_ claim that
> there are plans to completely switch to the snap approach, I just want
> to point out, that in the back-room there possibly are thoughts about
> completely different approaches.

That won't install Ubuntu onto a 32-bit system, now will it.

Even if a decision is made (ever) to transition all 32-bit packages to a 
snaps system so that ordinary 64-bit people can still use them that will 
probably be rife with problems (will non-snap 32-bit apps be able to use 
snap 32-bit libraries?) that doesn't mean it would be the correct 
approach, nor that it would be a sane approach to lessen the development 
or packaging burden, particularly not of the requirement to test ISOs? 
Well from a certain point of view if you can push everything into a 
snaps system....

But at the same time most people probably don't want it, and....

Where is the data you mention? You vagely hint at its existence. But 
unless you and I both know it, any discussion about it will be void, 
because you are still making assumptions here and allusions.

You allude that the "data exists" but that it would point in the 
direction of providing snaps.

Oh, do you know? Or is that just your wild guess based on infinite faith 
in the wisdom of those who make the decisions.

There is not a single number in your post. Not even the number 32.

Just saying that wild allusions to the existence of never-seen data do 
not cut the mark here, not even the Mark Shuttleworth mark ;-).

And it gives me an even stronger impression, if you mention that here in 
such a way, that the powers that be ... err.... the people that make the 
decisions do not really want other people to have the same kind of data?

You can fight about non-existent data all you want but unless you have 
some you won't make a dent in a pack of butter and any statement anyone 
can make, either pro or against, will be largely ineffective.

They remain wild guesses and I maintain that if the will had been there 
(or the honesty and fairness, perhaps) with sufficient transparency 
people could have seen that really according to the numbers and 
solutions and creative solutions available, providing 32-bit ISOs (not 
necessarily talking about packages here) would remain a low-cost 
proposition.

This eagerness to dump lesser-used alternatives is, I believe, not based 
on facts.




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