My opinion on Ubuntu cancelling Intel 80386/80386-clone processor support

[Ralf Mardorf]

Hi Oli :)

let us focus on the things we have in common. IMO you and I do a good job  
in helping users at Ubuntu users mailing list :).
Regarding how often somebody should or should not replace hardware we have  
different points of view.

On Sat, 10 Sep 2016 13:57:14 +0200, Oliver Grawert <ogra at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> On Sa, 2016-09-10 at 13:13 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 Sep 2016 12:38:17 +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote:
>> >It is good to recycle, but it's not good the way it is done now, for
>> still usable gear and by exploiting the poor.
>
> no, it is a matter how and through which organisation you recycle ...
> "the way it is done now" totally depends on the way people do their
> donation, give your old HW to people that can actually do something
> good with it and who will get it in the right hands and you voted with
> your feet, very simple.

Indeed it's not wrong in general to give away old hardware.

> or you are a gamer that only buys a new graphics card every three years
> instead of buying a new console every year ...

I already pointed out that there are exceptional domains, that unlikely  
affect most users.

> you know that our society isn't like what you dream of here

"I Have a Dream" - Martin Luther King

We can't go on as we did for decades.

> if you have three jobs to earn just enough to pay your rent, fill your
> fridge and get your kids dressed, where would the money come from to
> give them a computer ? are you saying it is better for them to not have
> one at all than to re-use older hardware ?

It's not the task of the poor to help the poor.

> how much first hand knowledge of recycling do *you* actually have
> beyond having read that news article/seen that documentary ? how many
> people did you *meet* that could not afford a computer at all and were
> overly happy to be able to build their own and take it home ...

I'm using hardware from bulk dump a much myself and I'm using computers as  
long as possible. Fortunately I can repair gear myself. However, even I  
need to buy some very exclusive and expensive hardware for one domain,  
pro-audio. My professional sound card does cost more than my computer, but  
I started with second hand pro-sumer audio gear that was very cheap and  
nearly as good as the pro device.

> yes, there are drawbacks in recycling if you go down to the level of
> having people sitting on a trash dump dissolving PCBs with poisonous
> liquids etc ... if you don't like that, simply don't do it ... go the
> other route, support the recycling organisations that do something with
> the hardware ...

+1

> how about we stop this thread here, it isn't really ubuntu related any
> more ... both our points of view are clear and apparently i cant
> convince you of mine and i wont agree with yours, so lets just move on
> with life before we go more off topic ...

+1

Anyway, I like to give feedback too others, not only to you ;).

Regards,
Ralf