suggest policy: all GUI apps that display files/folders right-click copies full path

[Tom H]

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 12:10 PM, Xen <list at xenhideout.nl> wrote:
> Tom H schreef op 31-03-16 10:38:
>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 1:31 AM, Xen <list at xenhideout.nl> wrote:
>>> Colin Law schreef op 28-03-2016 18:38:


>>>> Are these not issues for upstream Nautilus developers to consider
>>>> rather than Ubuntu?
>>> The point is really that if people "downstream" *care* their voice becomes
>>> stronger 'upstream'.
>>>
>>> If a number of people downstream say "hey, yes this is a great idea" it is
>>> no longer one single person trying to knock at the upstream door. Now it is
>>> an important downstream user (like, a part of, or, the entire Ubuntu thing)
>>> that tries to make a voice be heard, and this kinda changes things.
>>>
>>> If downstream pulls its hands off of the idea, upstream is not really going
>>> to be interested in it either. So that is a very non-functional way to
>>> approach things, it is like destroying the bridges you have before you even
>>> cross them.
>> This isn't how upstream development's working.
>>
>> For example, look at all of the user push-back against the Gnome Shell
>> and Unity UIs. The upstream developers stood by their guns.
>>
>> The only way to push for a change is to file an RFE bug with upstream.
>
> Lots of people give up before they even try.

Tough luck then. If you're not willing to put in some effort, why
should you get any benefit?!


> But if Ubuntu wanted a certain feature in its file manager, sure they
> would be able to get it there. No problem at all. They are not just a
> reed in the wind, having no power over its own fate. That is just not true.

No. It isn't Ubuntu's file manager, it's Gnome's. And the Gnome
developers only care about their DE.


> Saying that something is an issue for upstream but not for Ubuntu
> itself, is making Ubuntu powerless.

When it comes to pushing features into Gnome, it is powerless.

Unity uses a patched, older version of Nautilus because the upstream
Gnome developers remove/change features that Ubuntu wants. Both
Cinnamon and Mate have forked Nautilus because of this.


> I just don't like this defeatist attitude, I'm sorry about my words.

It's realism. You should familiarize yourself with Gnome.

As for other upstreams, it doesn't make sense to request a specific
change or feature within Ubuntu. A few months ago, I filed a systemd
RFE. Even though the Ubuntu systemd maintainer's a very helpful guy, I
can't imagine him doing so on my behalf; especially since I had to
convince Lennart and Martin might not have cared about this
femto-feature.