Stephen P. Villano stephen.p.villano at
Tue Dec 2 10:11:27 UTC 2014

On 12/2/14 2:59 AM, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote:
> On 02.12.2014 08:27, Martin Pitt wrote:
>> Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult [2014-12-02  7:55 +0100]:
>>> By the way: is it then be mandatory ?
>> Yes, it will be. As Scott and others have already pointed out, Ubuntu
>> never offered a choice of init systems, and doesn't plan on doing so.
> Okay, thanks for the clear statement.
> So we don't have to bother w/ Ubuntu anymore at all (besides migrating
> away), we can concentrate on Devuan. (eg. getting rid of polkit etc).
> The only blocker right now is Zimbra, which is currently not packaged
> for Debian yet - but as we'll move to OpenZimbra anyways once it's
> stable, we won't have any need for Ubuntu anymore.
> cu
> --
Such is the nature of life in the world, especially in the world of
software and operating systems.
Personally, I prefer SElinux to polkit, but such isn't part of the
baseline of Debian and hence, not part of Ubuntu. I just had to take
other measures to ensure security.
Ubuntu follows Debian rather faithfully in the baseline OS. That is the
policy, it leaves a lot less to clean up after and gives a clear
understanding of the "lineage" and sourceline of the OS itself. Ubuntu
branches off in several areas, but they're well defined areas and well
documented by the Ubuntu team.
Personally, I use RedHat for certain uses in the enterprise network I
operate in. I also use Fedora and CentOS in that same environment,
depending upon the client environmental preferences.
At home, my OS of choice is a bit more eclectic. I used to run SuSE
until Novell screwed it up. Since, I've got a rather varied environment
in both my lab environment at home and my production environment at
home. I run a full enterprise network at home.
For my home entertainment system, I use Mythbuntu, as it's clean running
"out of the box" and harden my security with a clear comprehension of
Ubuntu and Debian practices.
Other systems are hardened according to US DoD standards or rather
loose, depending upon which VLAN they "live" on and their purpose and
sensitivity to the function of my home enterprise.
As for my qualifications, I worked my way up from cable monkey to
desktop support, help desk, LAN/WAN operations and senior level
AD/SA/LAN/WAN operations before I moved into Information Assurance. In
that latter field, I've not had a network I was responsible for be
compromised and that counts being in the middle of the 2008 cyberattack
against the US DoD in my area of responsibility. Every other network was
compromised, mine was not. I don't take chances in security.

So, stay with the distro or go your own way, it's a somewhat free world.
Free as in beer is not free, but personal choices are free in most areas.

Good night/morning, this discussion has so engaged me and emotionally
aroused me, I'll now go to bed.
Oh wait, it didn't.
I outgrew "If you're not going to play *my* way, I'm taking my marbles
and go home" when I left kindergarten, which was long enough ago that I
do clearly recall watching John F. Kennedy shot live on television.
But, I am serious about going to bed. Both out of lack of adrenaline and
it's past bedtime by a few minutes.

More information about the Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list