Problem with Quantal and a KVM

Soren Hansen soren at
Thu Jan 3 12:33:16 UTC 2013

2013/1/3 Sander Smeenk <ssmeenk at>:
> Do you see any added value to a 'splash screen' hiding *everything*
> that is happening on *SERVER* installs?

A commonly ignored fact in this brave, new Plymouth world is that, as
opposed to the pre-Plymouth days, you don't actually need to be
physically at the machine to see what is being echoed at boot time.
Everything being echoed through Plymouth is also logged in a log file.
With the closest one of my servers being over a 1000 km away, this is
something I truly appreciate.

If the energy spent complaining about Plymouth, disabling Plymouth, etc.
had been spent on piping as much useful information as possibe through
to Plymouth, we'd be in a much better place today.

> And framebuffered consoles. I can see *some* value of having larger
> terminals than the default 80x24. But the way it is now, it does not
> work on every system. Launchpad is full of "bugs" against the kernel
> because the display is blank on a device until X kicks in...

Yeah. Getting early feedback (i.e. during the development phase) on this
would be very valuable.

Until all such bugs are squashed, perhaps we could add an option in grub
to boot with "nomodeset" or something like that. Once you log in, we
could have a check for "nomodeset" on the kernel command line and offer
instructions on how to make that change permanent.

Kernel modesetting isn't going away. Let's look for solutions that
accept that fact, shall we?

> Ubuntu 'server' has never had a real focus on the 'server' part.  All
> the 'server' part does is leave out a certain set of packages, maybe
> include a few others.  Other than that it's just the same
> codebase/packages as the Destkop flavour,

Can you elaborate on what sort of differences you're expecting between
desktop and server that would not come in the shape of a different
package selection? After all, every file (except for you own data) in an
Ubuntu system comes from a package.

We'd be happy to explore possible ways Ubuntu Server could stand out. I
can just say that historically the Ubuntu Server community has by far
preferred that Ubuntu Server remain a minimal install. It's been a
while since this discussion has last been active, though. Would you care
to start this discussion on the ubuntu-server mailing list?

Soren Hansen
Ubuntu Developer
OpenStack Developer

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