How to install Precise without getting screwed?

Robert Holtzman holtzm at cox.net
Tue Apr 10 19:26:22 UTC 2012


On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 10:26:50PM -0700, Dane Mutters wrote:
> >
> >
> > Oh it goes well and truely far beyond that. Some pinhead decided to move
> > /var/run to /run without leaving a symlink or informing and updating
> > packages.
> > I had an unfortunate 10.04 LTS system go unbootable until I got onto the
> > console to fix it so networking could even come up since on that machine it
> > was depending on dhcp and a handful of other things to check in via the FHS
> > accepted and everything but ubuntu  /var/run. And this was a normal system.
> > Whose stupid idea was *that*? The same moron who was pissing and moaning
> > about moving all binaries into /bin or some other idiocy?
> >
> > I am so very glad I never bought the Linux desktop coolaide. Though I
> > guess Windows 8 designed for mobile and tablets is getting pushed to the
> > desktop too so precise may as well break the long standing /var/run
> > practice of this is where pid files go without fixing any stock packages.
> >
> > </rant>
> >
> >
> Michael and others,
> 
> I realize it can be very satisfying to deliver a well-placed rant, but I
> hope I'm not "out of line" to remind everyone that without moderating our
> language to be as unoffensive as possible, no web conversation can be very
> productive.  The issues you've brought up are, of course, quite valid; I
> only suggest that the conversation avoid inflammatory epithets ("whose
> stupid idea...", etc.), and that we try to get to the root of whatever
> problem exists with the help of those who generously donate their time to
> Ubuntu, rather than ranting at those same people.  I realize that my own
> language has been pretty blunt, but within the bounds of explaining an
> issue, I hope I haven't been too offensive.
> 
> Also, if this thread isn't the appropriate place to discuss problems with
> development trends, etc., then will somebody please inform me/us of where
> such a discussion would be more appropriate?  I've taken the liberty of
> posting my "essay" on my blog, at:
> 
> http://danemutters.wordpress.com/2012/04/07/on-the-state-of-linux-gui-development/
> 
> ...in case people find it more appropriate to deal with the issues there.
> I'll make a point of moderating inflammatory comments there (hopefully
> without stifling any worthwhile ideas in the process).  All are free to
> comment on the blog, so long as we're respectful.

Oh,come on. Let's not start this again. What is it about the various
Ubuntu lists that causes the Manners Police to fire up their computers
to pop out how we unwashed masses should comport ourselves every time
the discussion gets a little spirited? 

I assume the people on this list are adults, capable of reading things 
like "pinhead", "stupid", "moron", etc without getting the vapors and 
reaching for the smelling salts.    

-- 
Bob Holtzman
If you think you're getting free lunch, 
check the price of the beer.
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