Ubuntu-devel-discuss Digest, Vol 57, Issue 10

Sat Aug 13 02:08:23 UTC 2011

Still I will say that this beta is more unstable if we compared to older
versions of Ubuntu like 10.10 and 10.04.
I guess it is due to some extent by Gnome 3.

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Today's Topics:

   1. A little care on new commits? (Alexandre Strube)
   2. Re: A little care on new commits? (Kyrillos Mossad)
   3. Re: A little care on new commits? (Jeremy Bicha)
   4. Re: A little care on new commits? (Dan Chen)
   5. Re: A little care on new commits? (Alexandre Strube)
   6. Re: A little care on new commits? (Dan Chen)
   7. Re: A little care on new commits? (Mihamina Rakotomandimby)
   8. Re: A little care on new commits? (Mihamina Rakotomandimby)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 18:34:49 +0200
From: Alexandre Strube <surak at surak.eti.br>
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Subject: A little care on new commits?
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Just that I haven't had an usable desktop for weeks on this latest beta.
While I generally agree that some things might break, to have a constant
broken state of everything does not help much. A bit more care before
committing might help?

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Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 12:44:40 -0400
From: Kyrillos Mossad <kmossad at gmail.com>
To: Alexandre Strube <surak at surak.eti.br>
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Subject: Re: A little care on new commits?
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Realize that you're talking about a BETA, this comes with the territory of
trying new things. Beta's are for people to contribute useful information
not complain. If you want some nearly bug free then please revert back to a
stable version

On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Alexandre Strube <surak at surak.eti.br>wrote:

> Just that I haven't had an usable desktop for weeks on this latest beta.
> While I generally agree that some things might break, to have a 
> constant broken state of everything does not help much. A bit more 
> care before committing might help?
>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:01:10 -0400
From: Jeremy Bicha <jeremy at bicha.net>
To: Kyrillos Mossad <kmossad at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: A little care on new commits?
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On 9 August 2011 12:44, Kyrillos Mossad <kmossad at gmail.com> wrote:
> Realize that you're talking about a BETA, this comes with the 
> territory of trying new things. Beta's are for people to contribute 
> useful information not complain. If you want some nearly bug free then 
> please revert back to a stable version
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Alexandre Strube <surak at surak.eti.br>
> wrote:
>>
>> Just that I haven't had an usable desktop for weeks on this latest beta.
>> While I generally agree that some things might break, to have a 
>> constant broken state of everything does not help much. A bit more 
>> care before committing might help?

Ubuntu 11.10 is not in beta; it's in alpha and it's a big difference.
That means that if you need your computer to not be broken, please stick
with the stable, tested releases. If you insist on running the development
versions, then you should understand that you don't have to accept upgrades
that offer to break your computer. There are always transitions that leave
the archive in a partially inconsistent state.
Please read http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1751299 for some more
info on how to deal with that.

I recommend you reinstall Ubuntu 11.04 and wait until Beta 1 or even better
Beta 2 before upgrading.

Jeremy

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:08:36 -0400
From: Dan Chen <seven.steps at gmail.com>
To: Alexandre Strube <surak at surak.eti.br>
Cc: Ubuntu Devel Discuss <ubuntu-devel-discuss at lists.ubuntu.com>
Subject: Re: A little care on new commits?
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On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:34, Alexandre Strube <surak at surak.eti.br> wrote:
> Just that I haven't had an usable desktop for weeks on this latest beta.
> While I generally agree that some things might break, to have a 
> constant broken state of everything does not help much. A bit more 
> care before committing might help?

Your email lacks a description of what precisely does not work. It would
help the developers if you expanded on those issues, preferably with
Launchpad bug reports.

Cheers,
-Dan

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Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 19:18:35 +0200
From: Alexandre Strube <surak at surak.eti.br>
To: Dan Chen <seven.steps at gmail.com>
Cc: Ubuntu Devel Discuss <ubuntu-devel-discuss at lists.ubuntu.com>
Subject: Re: A little care on new commits?
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Oh I have been doing bug reports when I can. At least 12 from july until
today.

Problem is, for instance, the one shared more actively on forums than on
launchpad, where lightdm just breaks after receiving login credentials,
staying with the X server's null cursor right over the VTs. I cannot send
the usual apport reports simply because the login process won't allow me to
get to it. And by the sheer number of people talking about some of these,
they are neither rare and uncommon nor solved quickly. And if it is a bug
that happens in several cases - that means the developer just threw an
update for the sake of it with little testing. The developer would receive
more useful feedback on the real issues if he/she had been more cautious to
begin with.

That is what I mean with more careful commits.

Please, I am not just ranting "OMG MY UBUNTU IS BROKEN" - Far from it. I am
a developer too and understand the issues.

2011/8/9 Dan Chen <seven.steps at gmail.com>

> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:34, Alexandre Strube <surak at surak.eti.br> wrote:
> > Just that I haven't had an usable desktop for weeks on this latest beta.
> > While I generally agree that some things might break, to have a 
> > constant broken state of everything does not help much. A bit more 
> > care before committing might help?
>
> Your email lacks a description of what precisely does not work. It 
> would help the developers if you expanded on those issues, preferably 
> with Launchpad bug reports.
>
> Cheers,
> -Dan
>

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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:24:58 -0400
From: Dan Chen <seven.steps at gmail.com>
To: Alexandre Strube <surak at surak.eti.br>
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Subject: Re: A little care on new commits?
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On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 13:18, Alexandre Strube <surak at surak.eti.br> wrote:
> And if it is a bug
> that happens in several cases - that means the developer just threw an 
> update for the sake of it with little testing.

Since you attest to being a developer, you likely have a good idea that in
the realm of "plumbing," particularly drivers, regressions are not
immediately obvious. We all can test, test and test, but at some point we
each run out of test hardware.

Cheers,
-Dan

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:49:59 +0300
From: Mihamina Rakotomandimby <mihamina at rktmb.org>
To: ubuntu-devel-discuss at lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: A little care on new commits?
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On 08/09/2011 08:18 PM, Alexandre Strube wrote:
> Problem is, for instance, the one shared more actively on forums than 
> on launchpad, where lightdm just breaks after receiving login 
> credentials, staying with the X server's null cursor right over the VTs.

I also encouter that problem on Oneiric.
I would like to join you bug "also affects me", what number is it?

> I cannot send the usual apport reports simply because the login 
> process won't allow me to get to it.

At the lightDM prompt: Ctrl+Alt+F2
Then login
Then "sudo service lightdm stop"
Then "starxfce4" (or you environment launcher) You will get to you GUI

That LightDM problem is a "big" one...

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:00:22 +0300
From: Mihamina Rakotomandimby <mihamina at rktmb.org>
To: ubuntu-devel-discuss at lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: A little care on new commits?
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On 08/09/2011 07:34 PM, Alexandre Strube wrote:
> A bit more care before committing might help?

Since a long time, Ubuntu has very good virtualization features:
- KVM (my favorite)
- VirtualBox
- ....

I suggest you use the last stable version as physical host and virtualize
you Alpha/Beta over it.

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