Rant and Re: Ubuntu-devel-discuss Digest, Vol 32, Issue 31

Siggy Brentrup ubuntu at psycho.i21k.de
Thu Jul 23 07:52:31 UTC 2009


on each digest you're receiving there's a thick fat note for those
who can read:

> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Ubuntu-devel-discuss digest..."

Hint: select the receive digest as MIME attachment option on
      your MM options page, makes live much easier :).

Sorry for this rant, I'm tired of seeing meaningless subject lines.

That said, I am in no way affiliated to Ubuntu, I'm just a normal
user who used to be a Debian Developer in the past.

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 21:43 -0500, Anthony G Weitekamp wrote:
> One Hundred Paper Cut Method,
> After getting tired of reading this list where almost every user
> request has been handled with the standard RTFM reply and dismissed
> as a newbie error, I decided to look around at various other Linux
> distributions.  I even went upstream to find out if anyone had a
> Linux installation that would allow me to at least configure my
> system the way I want it.  What did I find?  Basically more of the
> same - RTFM answers.  In each case I broke the install by installing
> Firefox and Thunderbird.   (Ubuntu acts freaky once Thunderbird is
> installed.)  I know that the OS Install comes with a mail client.
> But what if your user wants a working one instead of some RTFM
> incomplete or non-working pre-installed application?

Do you say Evolution isn't working?  I don't like it at all, but my
wife who is almost computer illiterate is fine with it.

> In short, the install of any one new application should never effect
> the operation of the entire system.


>   What do I need?  Separate Linux installations for each group of
> tasks that I may be working on?  Really?

Depends on your resources. I'm running a heterogenos farm of boxes,
mostly Debian lenny, squezze and sid (and if I can bear the noise an
old VAXstation runs OpenBSD).  Only my laptop runs Ubuntu.  I'm
writing this sitting in a Mall connected via VPN to my mailserver at

> So far, Ubuntu has been the most usable, having fewer usability
> problems than Debian, which performs much better than the original
> RTFM provider, Red-Hat and its more-stable (broken) downstream
> distros.

I admit that running Debian smoothly requires a lot of learning on the
user's side.  If you are tired of RTFM keep in mind that in my
knowledge (from '04) not a single person involved in Debian gets paid
for his work on the distro,  so there's no way to force anybody to
do what you want apart from convincing him/her.  IMHO that's a plus.
If you are thin skinned - no one forces you to use their work. 

> My ideal system?
> Firefox, Thunderbird
> MySQL, Oracle and Zend Optimizer, Apache, PhP, Perl
         ^^^^^^ <rant>I love their paid support</rant>
> Open Office (without the email client)
> No Bit torrent support.  - This does not work any faster in practice
> than http/ftp downloads.

No it only reduces the stress on the servers, but it doesn't seem
to bother you who pays for the traffic.

Ah, and many thanks for the unusable copy of the complete digest you

Please don't Cc: me when replying, I might not see either copy.
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