Ubuntu Gaming Team
danny.piccirillo at ubuntu.com
Fri Apr 24 13:08:08 UTC 2009
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 09:02, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu at kitterman.com> wrote:
> Top posting fixed. Ugh.
> > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 08:40, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu at kitterman.com>
> > wrote:
> >> First, apologies for the off topic cross-posting to many lists, but it
> >> was
> >> really hard for me to tell which one to drop.
> >> > In recognition of the value of FOSS gaming, the Ubuntu Gaming Team has
> >> > been
> >> > formed of mutual benefit to Ubuntu and FOSS gaming. As of today, the
> >> team
> >> > is
> >> > now open for anyone to join and participate in. Working towards
> >> improving
> >> > FOSS games and developing its community will turn a significant
> >> barrier
> >> > against Ubuntu adoption into an appealing reason to switch.
> >> >
> >> > The Ubuntu Gaming Team will work to address the obstacles hindering
> >> growth
> >> > in FOSS gaming such as the need for effective distributed content
> >> > management
> >> > or significant investment in free content development in order to
> >> promote
> >> > FOSS gaming through Ubuntu and Ubuntu through FOSS gaming. New ideas
> >> are
> >> > encouraged and appreciated.
> >> I appreciate the enthusiasm, but with your choice of names is going to
> >> cause problems. First, while an effort like you are describing might
> >> benefit Ubuntu, it is not about doing anything within Ubuntu (the
> >> distro),
> >> it seems to be about trying to leverage the Ubuntu community towards a
> >> goal.
> >> As it happens, Ubuntu (the distro) already has a team that works with
> >> Debian on packaging FOSS games for Debian and Ubuntu. This team is the
> >> Debian Games team. Based on the first reply to your message, you've
> >> already created a point of confusion. Ubuntu (the distro) doesn't need
> >> a
> >> team to cooperate with the Debian games team as it is already a joint
> >> Debian/Ubuntu team (this isn't the only case of this - another example
> >> is
> >> the pkg-clamav team that works on packaging clamav and related
> >> packages).
> >> I would encourage you to reconsider your choice of names and select one
> >> that isn't going to cause confusion.
> >> > FOSS gaming is important to Ubuntu as a lack of quality games is one
> >> of
> >> > the
> >> > most cited reasons preventing users from switching from Windows.
> >> Gamers,
> >> > who
> >> > currently feed off of the proprietary software model, represent a
> >> large
> >> > and
> >> > valuable user base. They will not even begin to gradually migrate to
> >> > Ubuntu
> >> > until their needs are met. They are very capable of understanding the
> >> > ideological and technical benefits of using a free operating system
> >> like
> >> > Ubuntu, and are often interested in switching, but higher value is
> >> placed
> >> > on
> >> > high quality gaming and the entire demographic will not budge until
> >> the
> >> > pragmatic advantages of open source actualize through FOSS gaming.
> >> >
> >> > The team is dedicated to FOSS gaming, and will not push for commercial
> >> > games
> >> > on Linux as significant effort is already put into the development of
> >> > Wine
> >> > and pressuring video game publishers to port their work to Linux. Once
> >> > FOSS
> >> > gaming reaches its "tipping point", code and content will be easily
> >> reused
> >> > to foster the development of new games and innovative ideas in gaming.
> >> The
> >> > Ubuntu Gaming Team fills a great need for an organized effort to
> >> support
> >> > FOSS gaming.
> >> >
> >> I think you are using the name Ubuntu here is a way that is really
> >> confusing. This isn't about Ubuntu gaming, it's about FOSS game
> >> development.
> >> > Launchpad:
> >> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gaming<https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-gaming>
> >> > Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GamingTeam
> >> > #ubuntu-gaming <
> >> http://java.freenode.net//index.php?channel=ubuntu-gaming>
> >> > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list
> >> Finally, you sent this to an Ubuntu development list. This list is to
> >> discuss development of Ubuntu. Your announcement seems to be at most
> >> about development ON Ubuntu, not development OF Ubuntu. I think it's
> >> off
> >> topic.
> >> I would encourage you to consider your goal and brand your team more
> >> appropriately to that goal.
> > Could a solution be to simply link to Debian/Ubuntu games team for
> > packaging? It may have caused a tiny bit of confusion with the
> > announcement,
> > but i really don't foresee any other confusion. If it becomes a problem
> > then
> > it'll definitely be worth changing, but i don't think it will be.
> It already is a problem. I think this team is woefully misnamed.
> The Debian games team is not the packaging subsidiary of your team.
> As I said, I think you chose very poorly in your approach to naming this
> team. There is nothing Ubuntu specific about it.
> Scott K
Alright, i'll bottom-post for you =]
It's already a problem? Really? The problem i think you're trying to say is
simply confusing the packaging team with this team. Firstly, i don't see how
people would be so confused. If a person is looking for the packaging team,
i am sure they will find it. If i add a link from the gaming team page to
the packaging team, i am in no way saying that their team works under ours.
If anything, it could direct more people to the packaging team who otherwise
would never have found it. What chaos will arise from keeping the name,
"Ubuntu Gaming Team"?
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