Do you really want developers to be on this list was (Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions)

Chris Coulson chrisccoulson at
Thu Nov 13 16:29:25 UTC 2008

2008/11/13 Andrew Sayers <andrew-ubuntu-devel at>

> Stephan Hermann wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 11:56 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote:
> >>
> >>   - Allow downgrades. This should help narrowing potential causes of
> >> the trouble.
> >
> > This is something I don't understand.
> > When I upgrade to a new release, I always think (or is it knowing): "Ok,
> > for the next 4 hours I'll sit in front of this computer, and I expect
> > something to break...because it's software made by people". If nothing
> > breaks, then I'm really surprised and happy. But when something breaks,
> > I already expected that. And when I find the cause for the breakage,
> > I'll try to fix it, AND/OR file a bug report about that issue.
> That's commendable practice, but the problem in Vincenzo's case was a
> hardware regression that would require upstream developer time in order
> to write a fix.  An easy downgrade path would give users in that
> situation the opportunity to use a system that works while they're
> waiting.  It also gives a communication channel to users that aren't
> technical enough to describe hardware problems - if we log hardware
> profiles when users up/downgrade, we can see which profiles correlate
> most strongly with downgrades, and use that to help guess which bug
> reports are one guy with a dodgy graphics card, and which are something
> more general.
>        - Andrew
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Surely trying to make a safe downgrade path risks introducing even more
regressions on top of the original ones, and could be a significant amount
of effort - effort that is better spent on fixing the original regressions.
Creating a downgrade path seems like a lot of work for very little gain IMO.

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