Incomplete with no response >30 days
HggdH
hggdh2 at gmail.com
Sun May 25 15:02:37 UTC 2008
On Sun, 2008-05-25 at 18:33 +1000, Sarah Hobbs wrote:
> Whoever said that the bug triagers could not contribute to
> -devel-discuss? For that matter, whoever said that they do not do so
> already?
You got me. I do not know who said that. I know, though, that I am
trying to keep triagers in the discussion.
> There seems to be an attitude of "screw the developers, we are the
> mighty bug squad, and can do what we like" here.
>
Sarah, please do not put in my mouth what I did *not* say. I do not know
what other problems you have been having, but I am sure I *never* said
such a stupidity.
Let me re-state what I said:
"I am not quite sure I understand. So the proposal will be discussed by
developers without input from triagers?"
> But really, isn't the job of the bug squad to get bugs into a good state
> of triage, so they can be dealt with by the developers?
Indeed. This is what we all want.
> Does it not
> make sense, therefore, to listen to what the developers want the bug
> squad to do to the bugs, in a general sense, and then for the bug squad
> to go away and deal with the specifics?
No. It does not. It does make sense for *BOTH* developers and
bug-squadders to discuss and reach a consensus. We do not impose on YOU
how to develop, you should not impose on us how to triage.
But we can reach a consensus.
And the triagers will not go away, no matter how much you would like
them to.
> I don't think the bug squad should have the right to say "we will make
> the rules, everyone else must follow them", as, while there are many bug
> squad people (yes, developers are still bug squad too), the bug squad
> does not put real bugs (ie, not invalid, etc) in a final state, so
> someone always has to come after them, and touch the bugs afterwards.
> This is not the case for developers.
Again, I never said that -- YOU say it. What I said is I see no sense on
having a discussion on how to triage done exclusively in the
devel-discuss, and then presenting the triagers on what has been
decided. There is a mailing list devoted to triaging. I see no problem
in having the discussion in devel-discuss *and* on bugsquad (even if
this means duplication): all affected areas will be able to immediately
participate. But I still fail to understand why the discussion would be
restricted to devel-discuss, a forum for developers, not for triagers.
>
> For those who are interested in getting the bugs into a final, finished
> state, in the bug squad, you may want to look at becoming developers
> yourselves.
OK. So now I find that it is not the "mighty" triagers, but the "mighty
developers"?
> Just my AUD $0.02, from another fellow member of the bug squad and developer
Ditto here, from someone who has done both development and
triaging/support for some quite long years. I am not as ignorant as you
may think.
It is a pity that this discussion escalated so fast to the makings of a
flame war.
..hggdh..
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