Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?
schroed at cs.uni-bonn.de
Fri May 16 15:18:17 BST 2008
A. Walton wrote:
> On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Kai Schroeder <schroed at cs.uni-bonn.de> wrote:
>> Conrad Knauer wrote:
>>> I was reading /. and they have an article up about "QGtkStyle"
>>> "A new project called QGtkStyle by Trolltech Labs gives Qt4 based
>>> applications the possibility to integrate natively into Gtk based
>>> desktops like Gnome or Xfce. Instead of simply imitating Gtk styles
>>> QGtkStyle uses the Gtk theme engine directly. The project is still
>>> considered experimental, but is another step into better integration
>>> between Qt and Gtk applications."
>>> And it reminded me of something that I had been thinking about in the
>>> past; Ubuntu is GNOME-based, but does not always default to GNOME's
>>> app selections (e.g. Firefox, GIMP and OpenOffice.org as I recall).
>>> Wouldn't it be interesting to take that a step further and have Ubuntu
>>> represent the best Linux apps (e.g. K3B?), regardless of widget
>>> dependency? If QGtkStyle (or such) could seamlessly integrate them
>>> visually, I don't see why (beyond LiveCD size restrictions) that this
>>> wouldn't be a good idea...
>>> Anyway, just thought I'd mention the idea to see what people think.
>> In my opinion Gnome has to change the HIG first. Although I really like
>> the way affirmative actions are described with a verb instead of just
>> "OK" it was not a good move to place the affirmative action on the right
>> side of a dialog.
> Whether or not you agree with it, it's been written in the HIG for
> years and years, and it's the natural layout for long-time GNOME users
> (and Mac OS X users for that matter). Changing this at such a late
> point is just going to trigger an immense amount of frustration (I
> imagine it'd be like waking up and noticing your mouse axes flipped
> and your buttons were mapped the opposite direction). So no, the HIG
> does not need to change in this aspect.
I actually wouldn't have dared to propose that as a new default to Gnome
Upstream ;). I should have said that I also had in mind to make that
> Instead, for those who actually care about this (read: pedants,
> KDE/Windows users), there's gtk_dialog_set_alternative_button_order()
> which has been around since GTK+ 2.6 (sometime 2k4). And with a small
> change to your .gtkrc file, you can have your cake and eat it too. And
> you can file bugs against applications that don't use this function
> with their dialogs and applications that violate the HIG (which is
> probably a sizable number, but since the people who presumably care
> about it don't speak up to developers...). I
Thanks for the info. I didn't know about that - so this is technically
solved (except for bugs).
> understand Qt has a
> similar ability for GNOME and Mac OS X support, but I've never had a
> want or need to look into it so I'm not sure what it is or how to use
As I have just read, Qt4.2 has introduced a mechanism for platform
dependent button ordering (http://www.crossplatform.ru/?q=node/303). So
hopefully, other cross platform APIs like Swing, SWT and wxWidgets add a
similar function. It's probably not even bad if Windows / Wine ports
look non-native ;-). Back to the topic, I think it is even more
important that "Ubuntu beyound GTK apps" would behave consistently (i.e.
follow the Gnome HIG as closely as possible) than looking similar to
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