Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

Fergal Daly fergal at esatclear.ie
Sat May 17 01:08:16 UTC 2008

2008/5/16 Krzysztof Klimonda <kklimonda at gmail.com>:
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> On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Fergal Daly  wrote:
>> 2008/5/16 A. Walton :
>> It seems from the paragraph below that there is a way - there just
>> needs to be a flame war to decide which one to twiddle by default for
>> those who don't care,
> That's exactly the problem - no matter what decision is made the half
> of the users (those more aware who has used linux for years, who should
> be precious for any distribution as it's them who advocacy for Ubuntu
> and Linux in general) will be pissed off.

If Ubuntu defaulted to a .gtkrc or .kderc that harmonised these
buttons, the people who would be angry are the people who know how to
fix it already.

> I guess it is possible to choose button layout and theme based on the
> DE that's active. But it still won't be consistent GUI. The difference
> between KDE and Gnome applications cannot be reduced to the
> different widgets or button layout. Unless KDE and GNOME developers
> agree to create common HIG there is no way to create consistent
> desktop by using K* and G* applications simultaneously. And if
> someone wonder if consistency is worth all the effort look at the
> Mac OS X - people use this system among other things because
> of how does all applications look alike.

Of course but this particular difference seems to be the most discussed.

> Also saying that that most people doesn't care about HIG and It
> only matters for developers and fan boys isn't fair. It means that
> what developers does has no real value..

That's not what I said. I wasn't talking about the HIG, just talking
one particular bit of it, so please don't make out that I said only
devs and fanboys care about the HIG.

I do think that the world breaks down into
1 people who will only ever use g... or k... and are thus unaffected by this
2 people who want to use the best tool for the job, of which we have
  2a people who know how to tweak .rc files to make them both the same
  2b people who just want to get on with it and are unable or
unwilling to figure out how to fix it or don't even realise there's a
fixable problem and just think "this linux thing is annoying".

I think 2b is probably the majority already and is only growing much
faster than the others.

What is your argument for not working well for 2b by default.

1 and 2a know how to get what they want and in fact will probably
already have their own .rc files and will probably never even see a
new default setting,


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