A tricky situation in malone bug 60995

Scott Kitterman ubuntu at kitterman.com
Sat Oct 20 22:19:19 UTC 2007

On Sunday 21 October 2007 03:01, Martin Olsson wrote:
> Fergal Daly wrote:
> > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=290474
> >
> > has been sitting unloved for over 2.5 years now. Notepad.exe still
> > takes more care to preserve your hard work :(
> >
> > So unless firefox becomes much more careful about user edits, it seems
> > to me that using the same key for editing and for destroying your work
> > is a really bad default setting, especially when it's so easy to
> > accidentally switch between the 2 contexts,
> To avoid unintentional data loss is a worthy goal but as you describe in
> the referenced bug report, the solution is not to block all keys that
> can cause data loss (doing so would in itself make firefox fundamentally
> less usable).
> I think it's important to make new users feel at home in Ubuntu.
> Understanding their background and expectations in very important.
> I think there is much much more to be done within this area, for
> instance if you install VLC on Ubuntu the SPACE and F keybindings don't
> work. That's another case where a lot of people will be used to pressing
> the SPACE key to pause and play their movie. It's unreasonable to expect
> users to just relearn everything that they have learned so far about
> computers, they just don't have time for it.

I for one praised the day this change got implemented.  At the time, I seemed 
to somewhat randomly get set back a page and lost data routinely.  This 
change that you want to revert was a huge usability win for me.

Users overly concerned with using something that looks and feels like Windows, 
IMO, probably want to run Windows.  "Windows does ...." is really an 
irrelvant argument from my perspective.

Does the workaround listed in the bug not work?  Please don't assume that it 
is working the way it is random.   It was carefully thought through and I 
believe the correct decision was reached.

You're right that not all potential dataloss options can stopped, but from my 
personal experience using Ubuntu's Firefox before this change was made, the 
decision to leave it the way it is was a very good one.

Scott K

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