Fwd: Mono (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)

[Joel Bryan Juliano]

On Dec 13, 2007 1:58 AM, Martin Owens <doctormo at gmail.com> wrote:
> > F-Spot and gThumb are very similar in capabilities on local images.
> > Though F-Spot's interface is a little cleaner.  But the big difference
> > comes in Web2.0 integration.  GThumb has none, while F-Spot integrates
> > with Flickr, Picasa, etc.  Hands down, this is what end users expect,
> > and it is gThumbs that needs to be eliminated.
>
> Users who want any of these applications can get them from the
> repositories; just because you like the applications doesn't make them
> good for inclusion by default. The argument seems to be that we should
> sacrifice 60MB of CD space for a handful of extra features. The space
> instead could be used to have many more user friendly features than
> just nice sticky notes and Flicker intergration.
>

This is one of the reason why Linux in general only appeal to geeks,
and why Windows is still the primary OS of choice for non-geeks.
Tomboy and F-Spot are two most useful and innovative Linux applications
in the desktop, removing them will give non-geeks no reason to switch
to Linux.

This move is headed in a backward direction, and will not provide any solution
to solve bug #1, piracy, poor software quality and many other proprietary-model
related problems.

Mono, is a direct invitation for Microsoft Windows developers to jump in
the Linux development scene, to provide more innovations, solutions
and man-power.

> > As for Tomboy vs GNOME sticky notes, this one is even more obvious.
> > Sticky notes needs to go away.  GNOME no longer considers it part of the
> > base suite of packages, and has instead worked with Tomboy on tighter
> > and tighter integration.  Tomboy can fire links to open on your  browser
> > or Nautulus, fire alarms as reminders, and integrates with Evolution.
> > Sticky notes does none of that.
>
> Notes are not a core application, I haven't the faintest idea why we
> include any notes app at all. Some people may find them useful but
> they can quite easily install this extra application.
>
> > I realize the original argument was about the size of Mono.  And that is
> > a legitimate argument.  But lets also realize functionality and
> > integration needs to be maximized in order to make this distro easy for
> > the noobs it is aimed at.  We already have a distro out there that makes
> > sacrifices of number of packages over space... its called DSL.
>
> I think some of these arguments are a little biased; I feel like some
> of the developers are championing Mono as a principle rather than on
> technical merits. It's nice that they've invested all this time into
> learning CLI; But we shouldn't let our ego's run away with us. Mono is
> big, too big in fact to be reasonably included by default without
> being biased.
>
> I'll be happy to see a small light weight notes and photo application
> for inclusion. But at the moment these don't exist and we shouldn't be
> looking for these tiny features when we could be including much better
> things on the CD.
>
> Regards, Martin Owens
>

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