Jordan Mantha mantha at ubuntu.com
Fri Apr 27 16:45:26 UTC 2007

Ming Hua wrote:

> > On Thu, Apr 26, 2007 at 11:36:11AM -0700, Micah Cowan wrote:
> >   
>> >> Matt Zimmerman wrote:
>> >>     
>>> >>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 12:46:25PM -0700, Jordan Mantha wrote:
>>> >>>       
>>>> >>>> I'll have time to give him a hand). My concern was actually more dealing
>>>> >>>> with the broken deps and invariable upgrade/install issues that people
>>>> >>>> seem to have with a transition like this. I put in a request for an
>>>> >>>> ubuntu-tex mailing list yesterday so that we can coordinate this kind of
>>>> >>>> work better with the Debian TeX people.
>>>> >>>>         
>>> >>> As always, I think it's best to hold any discussion on ubuntu-devel until
>>> >>> it's clear that there is a need for a new list.  Otherwise, you risk
>>> >>> creating an underactive list which only serves to isolate the discussion
>>> >>> from other developers.
>>> >>>       
>> >> And it surely would be a low-activity list; however, it is sometimes
>> >> necessary to discuss things that really don't have a place on the devel
>> >> list at large: one such thing we need to discuss is a more precise
>> >> understanding of what does and does not make it into the list of
>> >> packages that we share responsibility for. I can simply include the
>> >> membership in my To: headers, but this is cumbersome and isn't very good
>> >> for handling new members that arrive after the thread begins.
>> >>     
> >
> > My understanding is that Jordan and you are giving two different
> > examples.  I feel Jordan's example, discussing TeX-related packages that
> > have broken deps or upgrading/installing problems is a good topic for
> > ubuntu-devel.  Your example, discussing what packages should be
> > maintained by -tex team, is probably not.
> >
> >   
I primarily saw an ubuntu-tex list as a bug contact and place to
coordinate ~ubuntu-tex activity. However, as Matt pointed out
ubuntu-devel and -discuss are supposed to be for development
discussions. I think we can probably use IRC and the wiki page for
communication that wouldn't be great for -devel.

> > Also, adding a new list have the problem of making interested people
> > subscribe, set up filter, etc., while discussing on ubuntu-devel
> > requires no extra efforts.
> >   
I was actually thinking it would be better as I was expecting a decent
amount of people (Debian maintainers and testers/users) who wouldn't
normally be subscribed to ubuntu-devel or -discuss. I also feel like, as
far as bugmail goes, a mailing list is easier to filter.

I thought it'd be helpful to have an ubuntu-tex list, but now I think I
was probably wrong, at least for the time being. If people are ok with
having TeX talk here and on -devel then I'm fine with it.  :-) 


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