All is good, but nothing stands better. Don't shout at me :) Well, let me explain.... Ubuntu is mainly for desktop, though it has its server built. But i think, developers all around the world and disto packagers should halt for a moment, and then plan some way out to develop system thats desktop oriented. HOw? just as you said, Firewall, you think there should be better, and when it will come, we would demand something more better, and has more functionality, and better integrate into system. I have pointed out many other things too, like making nautilus more responsive, optimized, and should have plugins like showing bigger preview in tooltip(optional feature) with most demanding details of the file. Gnome too has lot imperfections. Bigger default font, and no better compact clean and sharp theme has impressed me as does apple mac. If the widgets are sharp, well compact, it can show mroe and more options in the available screen. so we should get back to the basics, and make plan route towards the desktop, -- -=Ravi=-