GTK 3.12 coming to Utopic?

[Jim Nelson]

I feel like I've made as many points as I can about the current 
situation, but I'll comment on just a couple of things you've brought 
up:

On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Sebastien Bacher <seb128 at ubuntu.com> 
wrote:
> - our current theme is on low maintenance mode, or said differently we
> don't have an active maintainer assigned to work on the unity7 themes.
...
> - the theme support for the new widget is somewhat low because those
> widgets are not used a lot at the moment so the impact is low

These two points kind of cut to my concern about how well 3.12 is being 
supported.  I totally understand what it's like to be overworked and I 
don't want to fault anyone for being lazy (or whatever).  My complaint 
is about priorities which, of course, is up to Ubuntu to decide.

> Well, run a GtkHeaderBar application under Unity and XFCE and nothing
> that it gets no border, no way to change the geometry, a weird look, a
> different wm control behaviour than other applications.

Note that it's only when GtkHeadarBar is configured to be the 
application's title bar that window geometry is locked.  When 
California and Geary are configured with --enable-unity, they still use 
GtkHeaderBar but the user can change geometry (because GtkHeaderBar is 
just another widget in the hierarchy).  The odd look I always assumed 
was a theme issue.

> I guess from the discussion that your main issue is the GtkPopup theme
> issue?

No, that's not my core issue.  If the situation was merely a couple of 
GTK-related bugs, I wouldn't have spoken up here as I have.

My core issue is that some comments I've heard on this mailing list 
(and elsewhere) indicated to me that not all of 3.12's widges were 
being taken seriously by Ubuntu due to a perception that they were 
second-class/non-standard/not-used/GNOME-specific/whatever.  I raised 
my voice to indicate that, no, at least one developer in the world 
would like these as well-supported as any widget in GTK.

>  Lars has been working on that for some week and it's going to be
> fixed this cycle, it's only a bug.

That's great news.  I do appreciate the effort.

-- Jim
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