Staying on GTK/GNOME 3.8 next cycle/for the LTS?

Bryan Quigley gquigs+u at
Tue Oct 1 20:46:54 UTC 2013

With a personal hat on...
I just started maintaining Gnome Nibbles and the 3.8 release has some
serious issues....  Obviously a game not shipped by default isn't a big
I'd definitely like to see a more up-to-date version of Rhythmbox
specifically.  It's had various issues that are fixed upstream in 3.8 (iPod
sync) from what I remember.

With a work hat on...
I see Evince already has a 3.10 in Saucy... would that stay that way?

Without a particularly hat on..
Why 3.8 over 3.10?  3.10 seems like few major changes and mostly bugs being
With the deprecation of certain options... (I can't speak to the immediate
bug)  isn't it better to do that for an LTS release as opposed to having to
maintain them for 5 years?


On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Sebastien Bacher <seb128 at> wrote:

> Le 01/10/2013 21:16, Adam Dingle a écrit :
>  I've used Ubuntu every day for 7 years and am active in the GNOME
>> community.  The fact that Ubuntu lags one release behind GNOME is
>> already a significant burden for me.  I often spend time building the
>> newest version of GNOME apps, which can be challenging since Ubuntu's
>> libraries lag behind.
>> If Ubuntu stays with 3.8 for Saucy+1 (i.e. starts to lag two releases
>> behind GNOME), I'd quite possibly switch to Fedora or Debian.  Staying
>> with 3.8 could be fine for most users, especially if Canonical wants
>> to focus most of its energy on phones and tablets.  But for anyone who
>> wants to use the latest GNOME apps and especially anyone who wants to
>> contribute to GNOME development, two releases back is just too much.
>> adam
>>  Hey Adam,
> I'm sorry to read that Ubuntu being behind on GNOME releases is a burden
> for you :/
> Can I ask if that's the opinion of an user, or from a developer wanting to
> contribute to GNOME? You probably understand that's it's hard for us to
> make both targets happy at the same time, especially in GNOME directions is
> less aligned with Ubuntu's which makes harder to include their newer
> version.
> If you want to write code for GNOME trunk, using the GNOME3 ppa/jhbuild
> probably makes sense (or Fedora if that seems a better option for you), you
> are just not on top of our priority list for the next LTS (I hope we can
> get back to a situation that makes GNOME users happier after the LTS
> though).
> One of the question we need to answer there, is to know if the
> improvements from GNOME 3.10 are going to be enough benefits, to our users,
> to justify the bugs/stability issues/lack of integration that are going to
> come with the updates? (if we update, that's going to take our desktop
> resources, which means we are not going to be able to do work smoothing
> rough edges).
> You probably know of those tradeoffs, since you reported some of the
> nautilus usability issues that came with the GNOME updates and didn't get
> addressed yet...
> Looking to some of the notes of GNOME 3.10/the changes listed there:
> - better wayland support: that's not going to be ready for the LTS/not
> likely a compelling feature there
> - shipping preview of new music/maps/software/photes/**chat applications:
> that's orthogonal to this discussion, those are not going to be default in
> the LTS
> - some UI improvements to applications: that would be nice to have, though
> that's making most app looks less integrated under Unity, which is an issue
> for us
> - improvements to gnome-shell: it would be nice to get in the GNOME remix,
> that's not an argument for our default desktop though
> - GTK got some new widgets, and deprecated quite some options ... which is
> going to bring heated discussions our way, would be nice to defer those to
> the next LTS cycle
> - gnome-control-center improvements, those make the UI more suitable for a
> mobile environment (and less for a desktop one as a side effect) ... you
> can argue it's a win, it seems not obvious for Unity/desktop though
> I'm probably overlooking some of the changes, but it doesn't seem there is
> anything in there that would be so much an improvement for our users that
> it would justify spending our efforts on those updates rather than on
> fixing the usability issues and bugs we already have in our backlog.
> It would be useful if you (or some of the others that think that not
> updating would be an error) would give specifics example of what GNOME 3.10
> can bring to our users.
> Cheers,
> Sebastien Bacher
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