Staying on GTK/GNOME 3.8 next cycle/for the LTS?

Dylan McCall dylanmccall at
Tue Oct 1 18:23:55 UTC 2013

I see where you're coming from and I don't want to take up much of anyone's
time, but I can't help but worry about an impending integration nightmare
as you continue to dawdle with GNOME's APIs. Do we know what is going to
happen with Ubuntu-specific system utilities with 14.10 and Unity 8? In
particular, I'm curious about Software Centre / Updater, Ubuntu One,
Startup Disk Creator, Jockey and Ubuntu Online Accounts. Incidentally,
those are quite central to Ubuntu. Arguably more so than the Unity shell,

Are these going to be replaced with new-style applications built on the
Ubuntu SDK, or are we hanging on to them for a while? If the latter, how
long do we expect to go on with GUIs that were basically built for GNOME 2
running under Unity and (an increasingly out of date) GNOME 3.x? What does
this mean for Unity's compatibility with modern GNOME 3 applications, or
for anyone who still wants to run GNOME 3.12 in Ubuntu?

As I see it, the more you dawdle with GNOME's APIs, the more those core
applications which are built on them are going to bit-rot, and while
several of them already seem clunky and weird, at some point you'll have a
real problem bringing them up to date without some serious, expensive, and
potentially very rushed, rewriting.


On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Sebastien Bacher <seb128 at> wrote:

> Hey everyone,
> I know this cycle is not finished yet, but in case some of us start
> thinking about next cycle, I wanted to start a discussion on the GNOME
> version to use for the lts.
> I think we should stick with GNOME 3.8 another cycle, here are the reasons
> why:
> - we (Ubuntu Desktop) are currently mostly happy with what we have
> - the focus for the Ubuntu Desktop team is likely to continue to be Ubuntu
> Touch/phone next cycle
> - due to the previous factor, we are going to be limited in resources to
> do desktop work
> - it's a LTS cycle, we should focus on bugs fixing if possible
> - GTK 3.10 deprecates several options, it would be good to stay away from
> those controverses for the LTS
> (see**1228886<>as an example of what is going to happen once we deprecate those options)
> - it seems like the next RedHat enterprise edition is going to be based on
> GNOME 3.8, if that's the case it would make sense for us to focus on
> bringing quality to the same version/share the maintainance work a bit
> What do other things? I guess the Ubuntu GNOME Remix is going to want
> newer version, we should try to accomodate that need if we can. One way
> would be to do the "fork" of gnome-control-center we have been talking
> about for a while. Blocking GTK to 3.8 is likely to make hard to update
> GNOME components anyway, if we decide to go this way...
> What do others think?
> Cheers,
> Sebastien Bacher
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