Known issues with xorg upgrades from HWE stacks?

Timo Aaltonen tjaalton at
Tue Nov 19 19:28:45 UTC 2013

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On 19.11.2013 21:25, Timo Aaltonen wrote:
> On 19.11.2013 21:18, Robie Basak wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 09:04:59PM +0200, Timo Aaltonen wrote:
>>> AIUI LTS releases don't offer upgrades to interim releases (by
>>>  default), only when the new LTS is available?
>> Right.
>> But imagine the situation without HWE.
>> I'm on Precise. Quantal is released, and I want to upgrade to
>> it. It doesn't appear by default, and the standard answer is to 
>> specifically request through the GUI that all release upgrades
>> are displayed rather than only LTS release upgrades. Then a
>> release upgrade to Quantal appears, and I select it. AIUI, this
>> is the supported way of doing it.
>> Now consider the same upgrade situation with HWE (which you say
>> is not supported). In my ignorance, I do exactly the same thing.
>> I request it to show me all available upgrades, not just LTS
>> ones. The release upgrade to Quantal appears. I select it. My
>> system breaks.
>> So I don't think that saying that you have to explictly select
>> it is a reasonable excuse. This is the recommended way of
>> upgrading up from an LTS to a standard release for non-HWE
>> installations. I do not necessarily know that an HWE upgrade to a
>> standard release is not supported. I may not even know that I
>> have an HWE stack installed. The GUI behaves exactly the same,
>> provides no warning with the identical process, and causes my
>> system to break.
>> Save for any other explanation, this sounds like a Critical bug
>> in update-manager to me, since it causes the system to become 
>> unusable through a process that the user would otherwise expect
>> to work, but is actually not supported in a particular
>> configuration that the user ends up in by default.
>> Does this make sense? Does you disagree, or should I go ahead
>> and file this bug?
> Makes perfect sense, don't disagree at all. This was one of the
> points of the discussion around "pockets vs renames", that upgrades
> to 12.10 were a big no-no. Apparently the upgrader wasn't updated
> to know about that fact. Not pointing any fingers.. a bug report
> even this late certainly won't hurt.

Also! Don't forget the session tomorrow about planning the HWE stack
updates for 14.04.x if you have something to share :)

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