New icons for gnome-logout dialog

[Dan S.]

I think I may have thought of part of an acceptable compromise to gnome's 
minimalist approach (which I love) and the need to clearly define what each 
shut down option does…

Wouldn't be easy to simply place a link at the bottom of the dialog that 
says, "Click here for more information regarding Shut Down options".  Have 
the link point to a help page that goes in to detail about each option.

Users have easy access to all the information they ever wanted and we get to 
keep the clean interface.

- Dan


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>    1. Re: Restoring the Help Icon in gnome-panel (Matthew East)
>    2. Re: New icons for gnome-logout dialog ( ?ivind Hoel )
>    3. Re: New icons for gnome-logout dialog (Eric Feliksik)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:40:11 +0000
>From: Matthew East <mdke at ubuntu.com>
>Subject: Re: Restoring the Help Icon in gnome-panel
>To: Manu Cornet <lmanul at ubuntu.com>
>Cc: ubuntu-desktop at lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
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>Hi,
>
>On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 19:10 +0100, Manu Cornet wrote:
> >
> > Hi !
> >
> > > I'm not for abusing notify bubble, but maybe we could have one on the
> > > first startup to indicate that the applications menu is where to go to
> > > run some programs and that the system menu is the place to go to get 
>the
> > > help stuff?
> > >
> > > An another option would be a first startup note or something like that
> >
> > I had suggested this a while ago :
> >
> > http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/JPEG/Startup_notification_transp.png
> >
> > (we could add something about help).
> >
> > I had made a patch, too :)
>
>Did anything ever come of this? A notification on first startup which
>says "Welcome to Ubuntu. If you need help with your system, choose
>System -> Help" would rock.
>
>Matt
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>Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 20:17:44 +0100
>From: " ?ivind Hoel " <oivind.hoel at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: New icons for gnome-logout dialog
>To: ubuntu-desktop at lists.ubuntu.com
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>On 3/22/06, Who <mailforwho at googlemail.com> wrote:
> > On 3/22/06, Manu Cornet <lmanul at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi !
> > >
> > > > On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 08:03 +0000, Matthew East wrote:
> > > > > > I make a "fake" screenshot with the new icons.
> > > > > > http://developer.berlios.de/dbimage.php?id=2680
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would like to hear your opinions.
> > >
> > > I like the colors, and the right amount of gloss (not too much, not 
>too
> > > little). Apart from this, here are the issues I see with these icons :
> > >
> > > * They all have the same shape. Color is a very nice way to 
>distinguish
> > > icons (it was actually the way I made it the first time), but it's
> > > usually not enough (especially for color blind people): color + shape
> > > allow people to distinguish icons much faster. The icons do look nice,
> > > but are really less explicit I think.
> > >
> > > * Log out has a red color, which implies (with most people's
> > > understanding of colors in symbols) that it has a "strong" effect on 
>the
> > > system, like shut down. (I would suggest, for example, green for 
>logout,
> > > brown for switch, grey or dark blue for lock ?). I think shut down
> > > really should be the only fully red icon in here.
> > >
> > > * Log out has a "power button" icon, which is really misleading I
> > > believe (logging out doesn't affect the power state of the computer).
> > > The usual door icon represents this action better in my eyes.
> >
> > I agree with almost all of what Manu said, but the fact that Logout
> > looks like a power button is the most disturbing! Logour should be
> > more like an arrow leaving a door!
>
>
>Is it possible to get a text area to update itself when a button is
>hovered over in gtk?
>
>I have an idea that I think would absolutely rock the logout dialog,
>but I'm not even sure it can be implemented, so I'll try some
>ascii-art to show what I'm talking about  (this will look rubbish in a
>non-monospace font):
>
>/-------------------------------------------------------\
>|			|				|
>| [I] Log out		| Click this button if you want	|
>| (I) Switch user	| to log out of your session.	|
>| (I) Lock screen	| You will be greeted by the	|
>|-----------------------| GDM login screen once your	|
>| (I) Sleep		| session has ended.		|
>| (I) Hibernate		|				|
>| (I) Restart		|				|
>| (I) Shut down		|				|
>|			|				|
>\-------------------------------------------------------/
>
>(I) is where the icon should be, and the right area should update with
>some informative description telling the user what will actually
>happen. Maybe the text accompanying the icon could be removed, though
>I'm not so sure about that.
>
>
>
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>Message: 3
>Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 01:50:20 +0100
>From: Eric Feliksik <milouny at gmx.net>
>Subject: Re: New icons for gnome-logout dialog
>Cc: ubuntu-desktop at lists.ubuntu.com
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>Øivind Hoel wrote:
> > Is it possible to get a text area to update itself when a button is
> > hovered over in gtk?
> >
> > I have an idea that I think would absolutely rock the logout dialog,
> > but I'm not even sure it can be implemented, so I'll try some
> > ascii-art to show what I'm talking about  (this will look rubbish in a
> > non-monospace font):
> >
> > /-------------------------------------------------------\
> > |			|				|
> > | [I] Log out		| Click this button if you want	|
> > | (I) Switch user	| to log out of your session.	|
> > | (I) Lock screen	| You will be greeted by the	|
> > |-----------------------| GDM login screen once your	|
> > | (I) Sleep		| session has ended.		|
> > | (I) Hibernate		|				|
> > | (I) Restart		|				|
> > | (I) Shut down		|				|
> > |			|				|
> > \-------------------------------------------------------/
> >
> > (I) is where the icon should be, and the right area should update with
> > some informative description telling the user what will actually
> > happen. Maybe the text accompanying the icon could be removed, though
> > I'm not so sure about that.
> >
>
>Although it results in a lot of text (something gnome generally tries to
>avoid), I find it an interesting idea.
>I *really* think that SEVEN options will be *very* confusing for
>non-technical users. A lot of users on the list say it's a lot, and
>apart from the fact it's many to choose from, for a lot of people it's
>really unclear what all these things mean. The difference between "Log
>out" and "switch user" is not trivial, and a lot of people are not as
>experimental as we are.
>The current ascii-mockup makes the explanation text really *big*, a more
>subtle thing is possible too: smaller and at the bottom (or as tooltip,
>but I'd dislike that).
>Generally gnome's minimalistic interface is quite self-explanatory, but
>I feel the current dialog isn't.
>
>
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