On Sep 16, 2015 1:09 AM, "Jorge O. Castro" <<a href="mailto:jorge@ubuntu.com">jorge@ubuntu.com</a>> wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I've debated sending this email for a while but as much as I want to > mute these conversations in my mail client I feel like it's my duty to > speak out about the project I love. > > We've just had a multi-week discussion on a how we should run a > mailing list and launchpad group. We're literally arguing about > nothing. I refuse to believe that us, as stewards of Ubuntu and more > importantly, as friends, cannot have a productive discussion. Our > success has a project has always been about being smart for the users > we represent. > > Our mission is to make _Ubuntu a wonderful place to participate in_. > There's nothing on this list in the past few weeks that is doing > anything that is making that mission possible. Today, if I ran into an > Ubuntu enthusiast on the street, would you send them to this list? My > answer is "No, absolutely not." > > Let's stop being so pedantic about our tools; we are arguing about how > to manage a mailing list. A mailing list. A thing that takes messages > from people and sends it to other people. Over SMTP. A problem that > was solved _20 years ago_. If we were to publish a team report on how > we helped Ubuntu this month, we would say "we argued about a mailing > list". > > Is anyone else proud of this? I'm not. > > I wish we were this disgruntled about the review queue of actual, real > contributions made by developers that are sitting in queues in > launchpad, and how we're going to fix that, or about the unanswered > user questions on Ask Ubuntu or the forums, or how we're going to > actively help the desktop team get out of their bug hole, or any of > the hundreds of problems we could actually be fixing in a project as > large and complex as Ubuntu a whole. > > Can we please get out of this funk now and get back to work? > > Ugh crap, this is the part I didn't want to write: > > As far as the other thing goes, it's a simple decision. Ben, I think > you're a nice guy, and I'll always be the first to buy you a beer, but > this is not the first time you've taken private conversations people > have had with you that you've quoted out of context to push your > personal agenda of what you think Ubuntu should be. > > You've ragequit the project so many times that I can't even get a > decent google result of what the reason was last time. I get it, I've > even ragequit Ubuntu once myself, but you don't have the right to do > it every 3 months for the last two years and expect us to take it > seriously when you've spent most of that time going out of the way to > hurt the project. I really, really want to believe that you still care > about the things we've all accomplished together as a team, but I'm > just not getting that vibe from you anymore, I get the feeling that > you sit there and wait for something mildly controversial to happen so > you can exploit it for your own benefit. > > I totally get that Ubuntu might not be going the way you want it to > go. I know right, I wish I could just randomly control every > engineering manager in Canonical, their engineers, and all their > community contributors to do what I want. Then I'd have the most > awesome system in the world. (btw, it'd be amazing). > > I've known you long enough to know that I think your heart is in the > right place; but your behavior makes me not believe this is true. > Please prove me wrong. And if not and you want to move on and do > other things, that's cool too, I respect that, but please don't just > randomly show up on mailing lists and try to armchair quarterback the > project. Either be here and care, and be productive, or break it off, > no one will think any lesser of you. This awkward middle ground just > confuses everyone. > > -- > Jorge Castro > Canonical Ltd. > <a href="http://juju.ubuntu.com/">http://juju.ubuntu.com/</a> - Automate your Cloud Infrastructure > The ad hominem attack is strong in you today.