<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"><html><head><meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"></head><body ><div style='font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;'> <div><div id="1"> ---- On Mon, 22 Jun 2015 02:01:09 -0700 Jonathan Riddell <<a href="mailto:jr@jriddell.org" target="_blank">jr@jriddell.org</a>> wrote ---- </div><blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #0000ff;padding-left: 6px; margin: 0 0 0 5px">On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 04:57:03PM -0400, Charles Profitt wrote: > > This makes zero difference, it is still putting the Ubuntu project's > > name through the mud. I have never seen such bad people management in > > any sphere of life. > > I would like to better understand the actual concern you have expressed > here. "Ubuntu Project's name through the mud." > > How do you feel the post on the Fridge is worse than a blog post that is > on the planet feed? [1][2] Or an interview on Linux Luddites? [3] > > >From my vantage point the press had the details on the situation and > were publishing stories before the post was made to the Fridge. > [4][5][6][7] Members of the Kubuntu community started a social media > campaign over the Community Council's decision. [8] I am not sure if the > post on the Fridge really stands out in regard to what you have claimed. > > As to the unnecessary and inflammatory extra you added about "never seen > such bad people management in any sphere of life"; I wonder what value > you felt this had in helping to move forward? For me this is another > example of the type of communication which brought us to this place in > the first place. > > I am hoping that the KC and others will be more willing to back away > from inflammatory rhetoric and move forward, but I understand that will > be more difficult if you continue to stoke the flames. </blockquote> Why did you snip all the citations and not the entire text? <blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #0000ff;padding-left: 6px; margin: 0 0 0 5px">You need to stop trying to make me feel bad about pointing out problems in Ubuntu. The CC is underminding what little credibility Ubuntu had as a project that welcomes community contributions. It has 1) tried to make me stand down from a position that doesn't exist. This shows a complete lack of understanding of how our community works. It is not supported by any member of the Kubuntu team and if you know anything about community or any sort of people management it should be obvious that declaring something with zero support will just make people move away. </blockquote> The CC asked you to step down from any position of leadership. That would include a seat on the KC. Making claims that we asked you to step down from a position that does not exist is disingenuous. The exact quote is: "At this time we have sent an email to Jonathan requesting that he step aside from all positions of leadership in the Ubuntu Community for at least 12 months" [1] <blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #0000ff;padding-left: 6px; margin: 0 0 0 5px">2) Insulted me in open forums. In <a href="https://plus.google.com/+JosPoortvliet/posts/2yGYMzzEaVz?1432719362007=1" target="_blank">https://plus.google.com/+JosPoortvliet/posts/2yGYMzzEaVz?1432719362007=1</a> Mark has called me "disingenuous, dishonest, untrustworthy and unappreciative" it's completely untrue, childish bullying and not at all backed up by the evidence the CC has posted. In the evidence you posted there's even a quote that I would "you’d swear the CC sit around doing nothing”, I have never sworn an oath in my life. </blockquote> I am sure hearing that was not a pleasant experience. I would ask that you focus on your behavior and not that of others. You should reflect on why Mark (and others) feel that way. If you were truly interested in moving forward as a Community you would cease the 'no proof', 'bullying' and defensive responses and focus on trying to understand how your actions have helped to create the situation the community is now in. Once you take ownership of those actions and reflect on them it might be possible to move forward. <blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #0000ff;padding-left: 6px; margin: 0 0 0 5px">3) Posted this on a news site as if an internal argument is somehow news. I have never ever seen any other organisation do this. It's not a personal blog with its opinions or rants, it's posted as official news. This needs to be removed if Ubuntu is to retain even a shred of credibility. </blockquote> I still see no evidence that the Fridge is any more damaging than the previously quoted blogs, interviews and communications. Again, perhaps you can reflect on your actions and determine how they have contributed to the situation. In this particular case the CC was more than happy to have this be a private matter. That became impossible once the request and private email conversations were posted. [2] I am still not sure why you feel the Fridge was any 'worse' than other communications. <blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #0000ff;padding-left: 6px; margin: 0 0 0 5px">Other than a few of Elizabeth's friends posting on this thread I've seen precious little support for the CC or Ubuntu in public comments on this topic, just compare the twitter tag #ISupportJonathan to the failed attempt to undermine it with #ISupportCommunity. It gives me no pleasure to see the reputation of Ubuntu self-implode like this. </blockquote> Why do you feel the need to make this personal? Is that something that helps us move forward? <blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #0000ff;padding-left: 6px; margin: 0 0 0 5px">I'll stop replying to this thread now, the CC need to work out a way to save Ubuntu as a viable community project because I'm out of ideas. </blockquote> The only idea I would offer is that you look more towards what your actions are and less towards making demands of others. Charles --- [1] - <a href="https://skitterman.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">https://skitterman.wordpress.com/</a> [2] - <a href="https://skitterman.wordpress.com/2015/05/26/information-exchange-between-the-ubuntu-community-council-and-the-kubuntu-council/" target="_blank">https://skitterman.wordpress.com/2015/05/26/information-exchange-between-the-ubuntu-community-council-and-the-kubuntu-council/</a> </div> </div></body></html>