<div dir="ltr"><div>I think trying to remove either would not be in the best interestof KC or UCC. One piece of advice Jono once gave me wasnot to delete blog posts but to take responsibility for them. Both statements are obviously crawled, linked to andseen by thousands. Removing them now with positionsunchanged would probably just trigger Streisand effect. If anything I suggest a meeting between the UCCand KC to try and find a way forward that is mutuallyagreeable. This disagreement cannot continue it is unhealthy forthe Kubuntu Community and Greater Ubuntu Community. In fact I bet other flavors and upstreams are paying attentionto what happens here and not resolving this could impactmore than just Ubuntu and Kubuntu. Now is the time to work this out and then you candecide on issuing a new joint statement perhaps?</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Michael Hall <<a href="mailto:mhall119@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">mhall119@ubuntu.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">[CC only] Charles and I spoke briefly about #3 on IRC, and I wanted to relay the results of that to the rest of the council. We agreed that we should let the Kubuntu Council know that we are willing to remove the Fridge post as they requested, but that we want to discuss with them the wording of notice we would put in it's place, and also that we would like to discuss having ScottK's blog post that contained our private emails similarly taken offline. Importantly neither step would be done, or be required to be done, before we meet with them, but rather would be a result that comes out of our meeting with them. Michael Hall <a href="mailto:mhall119@ubuntu.com">mhall119@ubuntu.com</a> <div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"> On 06/17/2015 05:32 PM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > To the Ubuntu Community Council and Community list, from the Kubuntu Council: > > We've been asked to meet with you. In order to make this a productive > session, we say: > > 1. We believe it is important for Ubuntu to have a KDE flavor, and > important for KDE to have an Ubuntu distribution. Therefore if Kubuntu > can continue, we should all do what we can to further that. > > 2. Going over the history of the situation will just raise emotion, > rather than engage our creativity. Emotion is a strength, as it fuels > our motivation to keep on working. However emotion has no place in > laying plans for the future. If each of us is invested in defending > our positions and past actions, we will not move forward. > > 3. The article about Jonathan should be removed from the Fridge, since > this is written entirely from the point of view of the UCC. It is a > publicity disaster for the Ubuntu community and remains a barrier to > good communication. Taking it down is a sign of good faith and the > beginning of progress. > > Can we agree that we have been at odds, but still have common > interests, and work together to further those interests? > > Valorie, for the Kubuntu Council > -- Ubuntu-community-team mailing list <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-community-team@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-community-team@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-community-team" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-community-team</a> </div></div></blockquote></div> -- <div class="gmail_signature">Benjamin Kerensa<div><a href="http://benjaminkerensa.com" target="_blank">http://benjaminkerensa.com</a></div><div>"I am what I am because of who we all are" - Ubuntu</div></div> </div>