Notice of Harassment

[Jono Bacon]

Hi All,

Ben, from what I can tell from this thread, Randall made a decision he felt
was in the best interests of the community (a decision that later had mixed
responses), and you privately sent him a clause from the CoC to suggest
that he is not meeting the expectations there.

>From what I can tell he then responded to you privately and you shared this
publicly on a mailing list without his permission.

I think this was a mis-step in two key ways:

 1. Merely sending a clause from the CoC is not a particularly productive
email. If you want to share your private thoughts with him, so be it, but
maybe add more color about why you felt his actions were not right.

 2. More importantly, from what I can tell here, you forwarded this thread
to a public mailing list without Randall's permission. Speaking personally,
I consider this to be a breach of someone's privacy. Private email
discussions, private IRC chats, or private social media discussions are
inherently private - when there is a 1-to-1 discussion the social
convention and presumption is confidentiality, unless this is explicitly
prescribed as something that can be shared publicly.

My concern, Ben, is that if you share private conversations without
people's consent, particularly in a way that is designed to show them up
(as this seemed to be), people will stop having private conversations with
you and not talk with you in confidence.

I like you, Ben, and I am sharing these thoughts as a friend, so I hope you
take this within the spirit it is intended.

Thanks,


On 14 September 2015 at 06:04, Benjamin Kerensa <bkerensa at ubuntu.com> wrote:

> Maybe you should check your email client configuration
> because you have used both your @canonical.com @ubuntu.com and private
> domain email in this thread.
>
> To: ubuntu-community-team at lists.ubuntu.com
> From: Randall Ross <randall.ross at canonical.com>
>  (Email headers don't lie)
>
> I'm sorry that you clearly are unfamiliar with how mailman and email clients work and got upset because someone replied to remind you that your actions were inconsistent with the Ubuntu Code of Conduct which you signed that is done in poor taste.
>
> Anyways, you can see here that your last email saying you used a private email that you do not associate with the list is incorrect:
>
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-community-team/2015-September/thread.html
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 5:51 AM, Randall Ross  <randall at ubuntu.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Ben,
>>
>> Your email was specifically addressed to me at an address that I do not
>> use for this list subscription. Check your "To:" line.
>>
>
> To: ubuntu-community-team at lists.ubuntu.com
> From: Randall Ross <randall.ross at canonical.com>
>  (Email headers don't lie)
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Further, my correspondence to you was private (note the lack of cc:) and
>> I expected you to respect that.
>>
>
> Respect is earned and being inconsiderate to contributors like you have
> does not earn you that respect not does making a fuss about a contributor
> pointing out your actions were inconsistent with the Ubuntu Code of Conduct.
>
>>
>> I will remain on the list, but an "unsubscribe" from Ben has already been
>> requested per my correspondence to you. (See below.)
>>
>
> That is not how mailing lists work you cannot opt-out of one person again
> if you do not want my email in your inbox from this list unsubscribe or
> setup a filter Randall but your acting quite immature to say the least and
> doing so with your employers email address on display even.
>
>>
>> I suggest you respect my request.
>>
>
>  I suggest you learn how to engage better with the community you
> supposedly are a Ubuntu Community Manager for.
>
>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Randall.
>>
>>
>> On 09/14/2015 08:43 AM, Benjamin Kerensa wrote:
>>
>> Your using a public mailing list for a open source project if you do not
>> want email from other people on the list feel free to unsubscribe.
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2015 5:35 AM, "Randall Ross" < <randall.ross at canonical.com>
>> randall.ross at canonical.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Thanks Ben. I'm familiar with that notion, and I refuse to accept your
>> gift.
>> >
>> > You may not agree with me on the value of an administrative change, and
>> that's your prerogative.
>> >
>> > That's the last I will write to you on this matter.
>> >
>> > And, I consider any further correspondence from you to be harassment.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Randall.
>> >
>> > On 09/14/2015 08:26 AM, Benjamin Kerensa wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Be considerate
>> >>
>> >> Our work will be used by other people, and we in turn will depend on
>> the work of others. Any decision we take will affect users and colleagues,
>> and we should consider them when making decisions.
>> >>
>> >> On Sep 13, 2015 11:23 PM, "Randall Ross" <
>> <randall.ross at canonical.com>randall.ross at canonical.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 09/11/2015 01:09 PM, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Elizabeth K. Joseph:
>> >> >> > The archives are public so I encourage you to browse them if
>> you're
>> >> >> > looking for specifics.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thank you.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I have already had a look at them, that's why I'm here 😉
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Have a nice day.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> > Given the ease of creating Launchpad teams, and given that there may
>> be some community projects and activities that would benefit from a named
>> "Ubuntu Community Team" gathering place, I set up the Launchpad page here.
>> >> >
>> >> > Join and enjoy.
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheers,
>> >> > Randall.
>> >> >
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