<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Stephen,</div><div>I'm also only a user, and I'm trying to help based on my own knowledge, so don't take my answers so official, I might be wrong here and there and I'll be happy if someone corrects me when I'm wrong.</div> <div><br></div><div>UEC (ubuntu enterprise cloud) IS a VM platform, it runs KVM in the background, the minnimal recommendation of two bare metal machines is for running it at a basic environment, one machine will be the cloud controller, cluster controller and storage controller, the other machine will be a node that runs node controller, one node minimum is required, but you can add as much more nodes as you can.</div> <div>Look at this installation guide: <a href="https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/uec.html">https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/uec.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>The cloud can be fully managed via command line, but if you find that difficult there are a few graphical options, one is free and included in the installation, it's called Eucalyptus, the other one is Landscape, but you need to pay for an account to Cannonical. There are a few others but I don't know them.</div> <div><br></div><div>Once you have a cloud running on this minimum of two machines, you can create virtual hosts and run on them whatever you want.</div><div><br></div><div>If what you're looking for is a way to virtualize one OS in within another, then all you need is to install whatever OS you prefer and run KVM or VirtualBox inside and create VMs, but if what you need is a bunch of VMs and you want to manage them wisely and get the most out of the whole hardware put together, then you need to think about cloud computing.</div> <div>The main goal of the cloud computing is a re-use of existing resources, given the fact that when you run a server it doesn't use the whole of it resources and most of the time the server might be idle, those resources could be used by other services, when you put for example three nodes and every one has a 2Ghz dual core cpu with 4GB RAM it means you have a virtually bigger server of 6Ghz dual core with 12GB of RAM, now you can run 6 "smaller" virtual servers of 1Ghz CPU and 2 GB RAM, given that it will be enough for running what you need.</div> <div>But this is only a simple example, things in the IT world can be more complex...</div><div><br></div><div>I hope this helps you.</div><div>And as I said, if someone thinks I'm mistaking, please correct me.</div> <div> Regards,</div><div>Ziv</div><div><br></div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Stephen Liu <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:satimis@yahoo.com">satimis@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"> <font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Ziv Leyes <<a href="mailto:zivley@gmail.com" target="_blank">zivley@gmail.com</a>><div class="im"> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> ubuntu-cloud <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-cloud@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">ubuntu-cloud@lists.ubuntu.com</a>><br></div><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tue, October 26, 2010 5:30:49 PM<div class="im"> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [ubuntu-cloud] Questiong on setup of cluster and node<br></div></font><br><div dir="ltr"><div>Hii Ziv,<br><br>- snip -<div class="im"><br><br>> The ubuntu cloud is meant to be a platform that runs VMs, <br> > so what you're trying to do is to run a VM platform from within a VM host!<br><br></div>Could you please explain in more detail. Whether Ubuntu Cloud is already a platform with a virtualizer, say KVM or VirtualBox, running on it. It allows VM to be installed and running on it. If my assumption is correct. Ubuntu Cloud is command line operation without X. I can't run Virtual Machine Manager (GUI) on it. Then the installation of VM (node) must be on command line? If I'm wrong please advise. TIA<br> <br></div> <div><div class="im">> As a no so related allegory, is like installing WindowsXP, then run VirtualBox, <br>> create a new machine, install Win7 and install VirtualBox inside it, and <br>> then expect that this VirtualBox will satisfy your needs...<br> <br></div>Whether to find a new PC installing Win7 as host and then installing VirtualBox on it. In such configuration I can install both cluster and nodes on VirtualBox as VMs? I'm now running Ubuntu as host with VirtualBox installed on it. This change is only on the host. Sorry I can't see the difference. Pls advise. Thanks<br> <br>B.R.<br>Stephen L<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br> <br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Stephen Liu <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:satimis@yahoo.com" target="_blank">satimis@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex"> Hi Ahmed,<br> <br> Thanks for your advice.<br> <br> > Two get a "supported" installation, you'd need 2 PCs minimum.<br> > PC-1 To act as cloud controller, cluster controller and<br> > storage (walrus, SC)<br> > PC-2 To act as "node". You can later on add as many nodes<br> > as you want<br> <br> > I would be quite hesitant to install any of those as "VMs".<br> <br> I succeeded installing cluster as VM of PC-1. It is running and can be<br> connected on browser remotely via Internet. But I failed to get the node<br> running as VM of PC-1, in the same PC.<br> <br> I'll try installing a node as VM of PC-2 later. If failure making the cloud to<br> work I would stop testing cloud computing until solution discovered.<br> <br> <br> > There are hacks to install everything on one node, but<br> > they're just hacks<br> <br> Running virtualization?<br> <br> <br> Cloud computing is NOT a new technology, only the main frame and terminals on<br> the service provider's server. This is a technology of yesterday tracing back<br> to Utility Computing, Grid Engine, etc, several years back. I tested the later<br> at least 4~5 years ago. At that time they were run by universities sharing data.<br> <br> <br> I found following thread:-<br> The Enterprise Cloud: How to Build a Server Demo<br> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6lvKnbws78&feature=mfu_in_order&playnext=1&videos=sIemMxnTfDk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6lvKnbws78&feature=mfu_in_order&playnext=1&videos=sIemMxnTfDk</a><br> <br> <br> Created by Terremark showing how to create a server on Web.<br> <br> Previously I did it in another way creating several servers (nodes), Linux and<br> Windows, on VirtualBox/KVM. Users have full access to the servers over Internet<br> with the IP address and password provided, on command line and GUI (RDP).<br> <br> <br> I think the concept is more or less the same. I have following doubt :-<br> <br> Can the user have full knowhow and experience on monitoring and configuring the<br> server? If YES he/she would build the server themselves, not to down/buy a<br> server.<br> <br> I will be happy to see what new technology will be added to cloud computing in<br> the not too distant future.<br> <br> <br> B.R.<br> Stephen L<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> ----- Original Message ----<br> From: Ahmed Kamal <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:ahmed.kamal@canonical.com" target="_blank">ahmed.kamal@canonical.com</a>><br> To: ubuntu-cloud <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:ubuntu-cloud@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">ubuntu-cloud@lists.ubuntu.com</a>><br> Sent: Mon, October 25, 2010 5:51:03 PM<br> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-cloud] Questiong on setup of cluster and node<br> <br> On 10/23/2010 01:00 PM, Stephen Liu wrote:<br> > Hi folks,<br> ><br> > I'm a little bid confused on the setup of Enterprise Cloud. Cluster and node<br> > can't coexist on the same PC which is my finding.<br> ><br> > 1)<br> > PC-1 for cluster<br> > Cluster can be installed on VM which is my finding.<br> ><br> ><br> > PC-2 for node<br> > I suppose node can also be installed on VM, but NOT on the same PC with<br> >cluster.<br> ><br> > What about if I need adding more nodes whether I need adding more PCs? Or<br> >nodes<br> > can coexist on the same PC running as VMs? If it needs adding more PCs then<br> > better go away from Cloud.<br> ><br> Hey Stephen,<br> <br> Two get a "supported" installation, you'd need 2 PCs minimum.<br> PC-1 To act as cloud controller, cluster controller and storage (walrus, SC)<br> PC-2 To act as "node". You can later on add as many nodes as you want<br> <br> I would be quite hesitant to install any of those as "VMs". 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