[Ubuntu-ch] About the Swiss Team and other things that bother me, was Re: Ubuntu-ch Digest, Vol 45, Issue 10

[Daniel Stoni]

Hello Myriam

Thanks for having shared your thoughts. I understand your concerns and I 
also wish to avoid having divisions. On the other side I appreciate the 
work done by people enthusiastic about Ubuntu who help to spread the 
message. There should be no flaming just because existing defined 
procedures haven't been followed - but of course we have to fix any 
issues soon. I don't mind if it is the list or the physical meeting.

Regards, Dani
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Am 28.04.2010 14:39, schrieb Myriam Schweingruber:
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 14:03, Daniel Stoni<dsto at stoni.ch>  wrote:
>>
>> Folks, would you mind to postpone the discussion to take place during a real
>> meeting? Next RP would be a good occasion ...
>
> Which I can't attend, sorry. A bit very far away for me in my current
> situation. So, weather you like it or not, this discussion is going to
> happen on this very mailing list, as uncomfortable it might seem to
> you. As far as I am concerned, all those subscribed to the mailing
> list are team members, shifting the discussion to a party that most
> people don't even know about or can't attend is excluding.
>
> We used to have meetings on IRC, where we should normally coordinate
> the work, and on the mailing list. Expecting people from all
> Switzerland to flock to Winterthur, which, at least for those from the
> Tessin and the Suisse Romande, is not exactly near or by any means
> central, is a bit much, Especially for a release party that is still
> not to be found on our wiki, nor have I seen any ads for it go to
> other Swiss Free Software groups. So that RP you are talking about is
> a local party by local people, but certainly not an official Release
> Party by the Swiss Team, since the team has only been contacted once
> by mail and nobody bothered to use the official media to do the
> organisation, despite my explicit demand to do so.. But I guess it was
> too much to ask for people who don't give a damn that there are people
> not speaking German in this country...
>
> Which reminded me only about that old discussion we had a few years
> back where people were complaining that not everything was in German,
> because of one single person not speaking English. I have spend 3 full
> days preparing ALL the wiki pages for the portal in FOUR languages,
> everything was posted to the mailing list, all the wiki pages are
> there, NOBODY did ANYTHING since to make this work. Funnily enough the
> same people who complained then are the ones organizing that party,
> but by carefully avoiding to include the team. That's what I call
> dividing. Now think about...
>
> Just to remind you: The Ubuntu Swiss Team is an official LoCo Team of
> the Ubuntu Community, with a wiki, a mailing list and an IRC channel.
> There are no other official channels in my eyes, nor are there in the
> eyes of the rest of the Ubuntu community or the LoCo council, so
> whatever is done elsewhere and not notified to any of these
> communication channels is not official at all. period. We aka the
> founding members of this team have worked hard to bring it where it is
> and make this a recognized official LoCo Team, and I very much hope
> the following leaders will work in the Ubuntu spirit as well. But by
> doing that outside of the Team is certainly not the best way to start
> with...
>
>
> Regards, Myriam.
>
> PS. May I point you to the current discussion on the LoCo-contacts
> mailing list? All team leaders of the official teams will not only
> have to sign the CoC, but also the LCoC. So think twice before doing
> things without including the team in the discussion, there are not
> many ways to do it right, but certainly a lot more ways to do it
> wrong.
>
> PPS. For digest subscribers, would you please read the digest mails
> correctly and change the subject line to avoid breaking the thread, as
> advised in the digest mail header? Thank you.


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