<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Colin,<br><br></div>You <i>were</i> helping no apology needed. <br><br>As pointed out most of us are volunteers who freely give our time because it is a worthy cause to support FOSS. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software"><br>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software</a><br><br></div>There is a IRC channel ( Internet Relay Chat ) for LibreOffice where one can access live help and guidance: <br><a href="http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/irc-help/">http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/irc-help/</a><br>
<br></div>This is a support list not a place for disgruntled rants no matter how well justified. It would be nice to see a honest effort at seeking possible solutions and workarounds on available knowledge bases out there in the public domain and after exhausting those then one asks here or elsewhere.<br>
<div><p></p><p>Open source is a development method for software that harnesses the
power of <i><b>distributed peer review and transparency of process.</b></i> The
promise of open source is better quality, higher reliability, more
flexibility, lower cost, and an end to predatory vendor lock-in.</p>
<p>If am out of line my apologies to all others on the list but sometimes it is necessary to speak from the heart and I hope all what I have said will be taken in the spirit it is meant in.<br></p>Aruna ( Infantile ? I think more like disgruntled and sadly lacking in powers of analysis or observation to identify and relate to the service we provide when it comes to assisting others for FREE ! )<br>
</div><div><br><br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:17 AM, Colin McCubbin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:colinmcc@direct.ca" target="_blank">colinmcc@direct.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Wow, David,<br>
<br>
How did I talk down to you? I suggested that you made copies of
stuff before converting it. I'm actually older than you and
started writing assembler for Control Data when you, if you are 60
were probably still in School, and device drivers for CP/M in the
UK before Garry (or, some say his wife) had a falling out with IBM
and Bill stepped in, thus Windows appeared.. My advice that you
should make copies was based on making many, many screw ups myself
and was intended to be helpful.<br>
<br>
I also pointed you at a service that would take your .pdf and
convert back to a .doc. Wasn't that what you wanted to do?<br>
<br>
If your infantile response was intended to reinforce your
observation "I am 60 yrs old and getting a bit senile already."
you sure did a good job of emphasizing that!<br>
<br>
So, again, my advice is 1. Back up before converting. 2. After
failing to do so, take 10 seconds on Google to find a way to
convert back, don't blame FOS software, simply go pay a high price
and buy some bug ridden windoze stuff, it apparently makes you
feel better to know that their bugs are 'features'...<br>
<br>
Colin<br>
(With apologies to others on this list, I really thought I was
helping this guy..)<div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 09/01/13 19:46, David M. Pelly wrote:<br>
</div></div></div><div><div class="h5">
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<div dir="ltr">Colin,<br>
<br>
Any product is only as good as it's service.<br>
<br>
I tried to use Ubuntu for a few months and I had too many
problems and too poor service.<br>
<br>
Sometimes it takes days or weeks to get a reply.<br>
<br>
And often with a sarcarstic "attitude", often talking down to
me, like you are.<br>
<br>
Very, very unprofessional. <br>
<br>
No people skills.<br>
<br>
Poor communication skills. <br>
<br>
No customer service skills.<br>
<br>
Very low calibre.<br>
<br>
More like: "Pool room- bar attitude" <br>
<br>
Pretty much "smart ass" talk.<br>
<br>
Very much unrefined- rogue people. <br>
<br>
Very low on the scale of intellectual and professional
development. <br>
<br>
Not everyone, but most. <br>
<br>
Bob in KW and a guy in Calgary stand above the crowd. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
And often I get an answer in "computer speak" , which a person
has to have a degree in computer science or something
equivalent to understand.<br>
<br>
I am 60 yrs old and getting a bit senile already.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
If a person is a "geek" then I can see the good in Ubuntu.<br>
<br>
But Ubuntu is not user friendly for non geeks or old foggies. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
So I switched back to Windows.<br>
<br>
I use Rogers telecom Techxpert for $10 per months. If I have
any problem, I click on "chat with a Techxpert" on my desk top
screen icon and they come on line in minutes and and I get the
problem solved quickly and with very good attitudes. <br>
<br>
Rogers is a major IP - phone and cable tv provider in Ontario.<br>
<br>
<br>
They will bend over backwards to help with just about anything
on the computer or on line. <br>
<br>
And as soon as I am done, I get a "customer satisfaction"
questionaire, where I evaluate the service I got and send it to
them.<br>
<br>
All true professionals and respectable companies and people who
want to be the best, use customer satisfaction questionnaires
now. <br>
<br>
Professionals know that critics are their best teachers. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Rogers will not help with Ubuntu.<br>
<br>
I am using "Ubuntu list" because Libre is a Linux product.<br>
<br>
I was on the Libre page and I can't make head or tail from it.<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks for the rest of your information.<br>
<br>
Will give a shot tomorrow. Too late tonight. <br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
David <br>
<br>
<br>
<div>
<hr>Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 19:12:42 -0700<br>
From: <a href="mailto:colinmcc@direct.ca" target="_blank">colinmcc@direct.ca</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-ca@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">ubuntu-ca@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: How to convert pdf back to libre office?<br>
<br>
<div>David,<br>
<br>
I'm somewhat confused.. If you are using libre under
windows, why post to an Ubuntu list?<br>
<br>
In future before converting <b>anything</b> from one format
to another, always save a backup, for example your original
xyz.doc also saved as xyz.doc.bak so if things go awry you
can go back to the original and start again. This will save
you many hours of head scratching and frustration both now
and in the future. <br>
<br>
You could try an online service such as <br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.pdfonline.com/pdf-to-word-converter/" target="_blank">http://www.pdfonline.com/pdf-to-word-converter/</a>
<br>
<br>
To get your .doc back from the .pdf, depending on how
'sensitive' the .pdf content is of course. Let us know if
this works please.<br>
<br>
Colin <br>
Osoyoos<br>
BC<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
. On 09/01/13 17:27, David M. Pelly wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Jun,<br>
<br>
Thank you for your reply. <br>
<br>
<br>
I am using libre on windows.<br>
<br>
This is what I found:<br>
<br>
<br>
<h1><a href="http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/18201/pdf-import-does-not-show-in-extension-manager/" target="_blank">PDF Import does not show in Extension
Manager</a></h1>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/questions/scope:all/sort:activity-desc/tags:pdf/page:1/" title="see questions tagged 'pdf'" rel="tag" target="_blank">pdf</a></li>
<li><a href="http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/questions/scope:all/sort:activity-desc/tags:import/page:1/" title="see questions tagged 'import'" rel="tag" target="_blank">import</a></li>
<li><a href="http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/questions/scope:all/sort:activity-desc/tags:pdf-import/page:1/" title="see questions tagged 'pdf-import'" rel="tag" target="_blank">pdf-import</a></li>
<li><a href="http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/questions/scope:all/sort:activity-desc/tags:draw/page:1/" title="see questions tagged 'draw'" rel="tag" target="_blank">draw</a></li>
</ul>
<div>
<div>
<div> asked <strong><abbr title="2013-05-28 17:00:23
+0200">May 28 '13</abbr></strong> <br>
<img alt="this post is marked as community wiki" height="35" width="35">
<p>This post is a wiki. Anyone with
karma >75 is welcome to improve it.</p>
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<div>
<p style="line-height:12px"> <a href="http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/questions/18201/revisions/" target="_blank">updated <strong><abbr title="2013-06-11
15:03:57 +0200">Jun 11 '13</abbr></strong></a>
</p>
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PDF Import does not show in Extension Manager. It was
installed on LO4 and Debian Testing (Wheezy) via
"aptitude install libreoffice-pdfimport". <br>
It is interesting to see that the very first item under
features (/<a href="http://www.libreoffice.org/features/extensions/" target="_blank">www.libreoffice.org/features/extensions/</a>) is
PDF Import, but it not found anywhere at the Extension
Center (<a href="http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center" target="_blank">extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center</a>).
This needs to be corrected, too.<br>
Also, it still very problematic with many PDF files.<br>
Last, but not least, the TAGS box below needs to be
adjusted to allow more than 20 characters per tag. For
example, I just tried to enter "libreoffice-pdfimport",
but it did not allow.<br>
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<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div>
<hr>Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 18:34:29
-0400<br>
Subject: Re: How to convert pdf back to libre office?<br>
From: <a href="mailto:johneddie.kerr@gmail.com" target="_blank">johneddie.kerr@gmail.com</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-ca@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">ubuntu-ca@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br>
<br>
Hi David<br>
There is a PDF importer for LibreOffice. You can
download it from the extensions download.<br>
Cheers <br>
Jun Kerr<br>
<div>On Sep 1, 2013 10:02 AM,
"David M. Pelly" <<a href="mailto:david.pelly@hotmail.ca" target="_blank">david.pelly@hotmail.ca</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><br>
<div>I made a libre office document.<br>
<br>
I wanted to send it to someone, so I converted
it to pdf.<br>
<br>
Now, I want to edit it and I see the original
libre doc is gone.<br>
<br>
<br>
And the pdf won't let me edit it.<br>
<br>
If it is possible, I don't see how? <br>
<br>
It is not user friendly.<br>
<br>
I would prefer to be able to convert the pdf
back to libre office doc.<br>
<br>
<br>
Can that be done?<br>
<br>
If so how?<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
David <br>
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