<div dir="ltr"> <div><div>To me, it isn't about "nationalism" as it is about right-sizing a local *online* community.<br><br>Keep in mind, we're happily chugging away at Ubuntu Waterloo, with regular, cool, fun, well-attended events. I'm all for city teams. I gots one. It's great.<br>
<br></div><div>The term "LoCo" is ambiguous, because the LoCo council refuses to acknowledge the importance of groups in cities. Or, more accurately, would rather deal with a maximum couple hundred large teams than a few thousand smaller ones (if they're lucky).<br>
<br>All Ubuntu Canada is, really, is a bunch of online resources. Lower-traffic social and support channels. That's about it. <br><br>I do believe there is value in having this mailing list here. This last week aside, it's been in a bit of a lull lately, but I think being able to talk with, help out and encourage Ubuntu enthusiasts across the country is valuable. I met the Montreal guys on IRC which led to meeting up with them IRL when I was there. Not everybody is in a city, but I think everybody should have a community they can feel they're a part of. I kinda like having that, anyway.<br>
</div><br>If nationalism enters into it, it's in the fact that, for some reason, I'm actually more interested in what you guys are doing in Vancouver than I am in what's going on in Rochester or Detroit, despite those places being three hours' drive away from me rather than Vancouver's (optimistically) 3 days.<br>
</div><br><div><div>I mean, you guys are here, right?<br><br></div><div>But like I said when I started this thread, I'm not certain it's living up to the promise. If people think it should be disbanded, we can shut down the list and abandon the IRC channel, no problem. Means I don't have to be nagged about the daily list spam anymore.<br>
</div><br></div>Darcy.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Kip Warner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kip@thevertigo.com" target="_blank">kip@thevertigo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 12:39:00PM -0700, Randall Ross wrote:<br>
</div><div class="im">> Ubuntu is not a national construct. It has nothing to do with our flag.<br>
> It does not care if your government is in Ottawa or in Tripoli or in Taipei.<br>
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</div>I completely agree. Nationalism is abstract and divisive. The idea of marrying the LoCo with nationalism is anachronistic. Whether it was called Petrograd, Leningrad, or Saint Petersburg, the city is still there. The Soviet Union, like all nations, come and go, but cities stand the test of time better because the people in them are real and exist beyond abstract identifiers. If a LoCo is to survive, it needs to move past the anachronisms. Randall is right. LoCos at the city level make far more sense. Moreover, for those who do not live near a large city, there is nothing to stop someone from creating a LoCo catch-all for minorities in rural areas in a given locality.<br>
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