Charlotte, I agree. We don't need to look as extremist. Claude <div>2007/2/2, Charlotte Curtis <<a href="mailto:curtisc@uoguelph.ca">curtisc@uoguelph.ca</a>>:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Just want to put in my two cents... If we were to cause a ruckus/create mayhem, that would be counterproductive to the cause and pretty stupid. If we're not respectful of the microsoft people as well as the general public, then all we're doing is affirming their suspicions that linux folks are all evangelical anti-establishment geeks. I think the opportunity here is the fact that we have a group of people who will probably be more susceptible to listen to us for 2 reasons: 1 - If they're actually interested in Vista, then they're probably a little more interested in computers than the average person 2 - If they're not interested in Vista and were just drawn to the ice house, then they're probably just as likely to be drawn to a 10-foot penguin As long as people are well dressed and courteous and don't try to be too pushy, I think this is as good an opportunity as any to spread the word. Charlotte <div>On 2/2/07, Anthony Yarusso <<a href="mailto:tonyyarusso@earthlink.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">tonyyarusso@earthlink.net</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm sorry you got a bad impression of this effort from your initial search engine sleuthing. I just wanted to let you know that it's not anywhere near as nefarious as your initial results (or your selections from them) make it out to be. Much of what you quoted from the mailing list were things said in jest, which is understood in context among the people who frequent the list, but is less apparent to an outsider (perhaps we need <joke> tags since this is publicly archived). I wanted to clarify that the intent is NOT actually to cause mayhem of any kind, nor destroy any Microsoft or other private property, or even disrupt festivities - I think we can all agree these would indeed be bad things, as you wrote. The "official" plan if you will is to educate people passing by or killing time waiting to get into the Ice House about the dangers of Vista's licensing terms and the advantages and availability of free open-source software alternatives, in a completely respectful, legal manner (and I do fully expect anyone who wanted to actually do the sorts of things you quoted would be prevented from doing so). It is unfortunate that you got a bad impression of the effort from select excerpts of mailing list posts (and also that you missed much of the related discussion on IRC), but am confident that today's events will come off without any problems - or at least none caused by the Ubuntu Toronto group, and the discussion about legality and dealing with police was only in order to be prepared if confronted about what's going on, which again, should be kept entirely legal and orderly, and hope that you will change your mind afterwards. You can also read my blog post about it (<a href="http://blog.tonyyarusso.com/planetubuntu/ubuntu-canadas-toronto-chapter-brings-the-penguin-to-the-ice-house/" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> http://blog.tonyyarusso.com/planetubuntu/ubuntu-canadas-toronto-chapter-brings-the-penguin-to-the-ice-house/</a>), Dave Sullivan's post (<a href="http://dave-sullivan.com/entries/4/" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> http://dave-sullivan.com/entries/4/ </a>), and the press release which was sent out (<a href="http://www.tonyyarusso.com/files/ubuntu-to_press_release.txt" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.tonyyarusso.com/files/ubuntu-to_press_release.txt </a>) Tony Yarusso -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFwvOj6iO+5ByUi/QRAvALAJsEtbXFZ8OA4zBgrYEbrsc01oDvyQCgkCNT bqiSqVDqcfyoisb38OFSrjg= =rbrC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- ubuntu-ca mailing list <a href="mailto:ubuntu-ca@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">ubuntu-ca@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ca" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ca</a> </blockquote></div> -- ubuntu-ca mailing list <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:ubuntu-ca@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-ca@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ca" target="_blank"> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ca</a> </blockquote></div>