Thunderbird mail

Bob Jonkman bjonkman at
Sun Aug 18 17:43:01 UTC 2013

LP wrote:
> And Encryption does not stop them.

[Citation needed], to quote a phrase...

One of the things that has come out of the Snowden revelations is that
not even the NSA can read the contents of encrypted messages (although
header data and traffic analysis can be quite revealing without the

That correlates nicely with Law Enforcement Agencies continually asking
for increased surveillance powers and back doors in software to combat
the "darknet".  If they weren't stopped by encryption, they'd be
quietly reading and listening already, without trumpeting their

So, encrypt all the things.

Of course, the greatest barrier to good encryption is doing it
properly. Using strong (long) passphrases, keeping your private keys
secure, selecting good F/LOSS encryption software that has been vetted
by the crypto community (and not software using proprietary encryption
which code is kept secret by the corporations in league with
surveillance agencies. Skype, I'm talking 'bout you!) EBG13 vf abg na
nqrdhngr rapelcgvba pvcure. Lbh unir orra jnearq!

--Bob, who fears losing our liberty and security, all in the name of stopping that great
evil, child pornography, and that even greater evil, copyright infringement.

On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 11:15:15 -0400
LP <linuxpusher2 at> wrote:

> Good Info Thanks Stephen,
> If you use any tools to trace your connection you would be surprised
> how many US Government Agencies you pass through.
> The Canadian Government has been spying on Canadians for many years,
> they use U.K. USA Military Exchange Officers to read data collected
> Locally, so technically its not Canada spying on it's citizens.
> And Encryption does not stop them.
> On 18 August 2013 10:43, Stephen M. Webb <stephen.webb at>
> wrote:
> > On 08/18/2013 08:59 AM, raymond wrote:
> > > Hi all, why use thunderbird mail? It is only duplicating what I
> > > get
> > through my gmail account (in my case).And it's
> > > slower at start up because it must get the mail info from my
> > > other mail
> > accounts.I know that it stores my mail in
> > > my computer, is that it's sole purpose? It seems like a lot of
> > duplication to me, can anyone clear this up for me,
> > > Thanks.
> >
> > First off, that's like asking why drive a Ford when you could drive
> > a Toyota. Different folks choose different
> > products for different reasons.
> >
> > Second, even if you choose to have Google read and keep all of your
> > email, the filtering ability of Google's mail
> > product is very limited and extremely poor (their philosophy is
> > that you have to actively search for specific mail
> > instead of passively sort -- which means you send them your search
> > keys and they sell your data for their profit -- of
> > no benefit to you).  If you use a local email client you can use
> > very detailed and powerful filters to sort your
> > email, just like in the olden days when you owned your own data.
> > This point may not affect you if you only have a few
> > messages per day from a few people, but many folks out there get
> > thousands of messages per day from very many sources,
> > and Google's mail product does not come close to meeting
> > requirements.
> >
> > Third, you might have multiple email accounts and want to be able
> > to read everything in one place.  Sure, you could
> > route all your email from all your accounts through Google's mail
> > servers in the US.  Some mail sources, such as many
> > employers or educational institutions, do not allow you to do that.
> >  Others are private and you don't want Google
> > reading and selling your private correspondence.
> >
> > Fourth, you may be disturbed by ongoing US government surveillance,
> > the Canadian government's proposed warrentless
> > surveillance bills, or industrial espionage and wish to encrypt your
> > correspondence.  Google's mail product does not
> > support email encryption and decryption.  For that, you need a
> > client-side email program like Thunderbird.
> >
> > --
> > Stephen M. Webb  <stephen at>
> >
> >
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> >
> >


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