Dial-up Modems no longer supported???

Hugh McDevitt crustyasp46 at gmail.com
Mon Feb 21 23:43:48 UTC 2011


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>    1. Re: Dial-up Modems no longer supported???
>       (Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre)
>    2. Re: Dial-up Modems no longer supported??? (Alfred)
>    3. Re: Dial-up Modems no longer supported???
>       (Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre)
>    4. Re: Dial-up Modems no longer supported (Tek Ang)
>    5. Re: Dial-up Modems no longer supported (komputes)
>    6. Re: Dial-up Modems no longer supported (Tek Ang)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:28:58 -0500
> From: Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre <mathieu.tl at gmail.com>
> To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community <ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: Dial-up Modems no longer supported???
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> On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 10:38 AM, komputes <komputes at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> It is not because a certain technology is not used by the majority that
>> it should be removed all together. I think we have made it especially
>> hard on people who only have access to telephone to use ubuntuas a
>> method of accessing the internet.
>>
>> Here is the third world use case:
>> - User gets CD and installs
>> - User tries to connect to the internet via telephone line
>> - User hits speed bump
>
> But it's not removed; it's still available, just in an alternate
> method given that supporting dial-up modems was complex and taking a
> lot of space compared the the relatively low benefit. I think this is
> reasonable in the vast majority of cases.
>
> I agree it's possibly tough for third-world countries, but I'm not
> convinced pure dial-up it's as ubiquitous as you think it is.
> Land-lines aren't laid everywhere. In many countries (e.g. India), it
> makes a lot more sense to install long-haul wireless antennas or use
> satellite rather than expect land-lines to be installed (and for them
> to last).
>
>>
>> At this point the user learns one of the following:
>> - You must learn to use command line (and config files) to connect using
>> pppconfig
>> - You need access to the internet to download a graphical tool that
>> allows simple PPP connection
>> - You have a soft modem and require drivers (linuxant and such) that may
>> have to be downloaded/purchased
>
> You don't need config files. pppconfig does everything for you. Plus
> you'll never be able to work around requiring drivers. Most modem
> drivers can't be redistributed for a variety of reasons (including
> being in binary format, different for each device, and more), MM was
> rewritten to support many other connection options, etc. Although I
> agree it's not the best experience that could be given, there still
> are choices that need to be made to support a great experience for the
> vast majority of users, and that's what I think we achieve with the CD
> in its current shape. I don't think the situation is that unrealistic
> and desperate.
>
> Note, that's just my 0.02$. I certainly won't complain if someone
> shows up with a nice patch to re-implement dial-up in modemmanager.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre <mathieu.tl at gmail.com>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 13:24:43 -0500
> From: Alfred <alfred.s at nexicom.net>
> To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community <ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: Dial-up Modems no longer supported???
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> On 2/21/2011 10:38 AM, komputes wrote:
>> On 02/21/2011 09:31 AM, Ilija Milicevic wrote:
>>
>>> As for dialup, it's not a viable
>>> option any more in most of the world. I think they should still support
>>> it
>>> but I'm talking from a Third World perspective.
>>>
>> It is not because a certain technology is not used by the majority that
>> it should be removed all together. I think we have made it especially
>> hard on people who only have access to telephone to use ubuntuas a
>> method of accessing the internet.
>>
>> Here is the third world use case:
>> - User gets CD and installs
>> - User tries to connect to the internet via telephone line
>> - User hits speed bump
>>
>> At this point the user learns one of the following:
>> - You must learn to use command line (and config files) to connect using
>> pppconfig
>> - You need access to the internet to download a graphical tool that
>> allows simple PPP connection
>> - You have a soft modem and require drivers (linuxant and such) that may
>> have to be downloaded/purchased
>>
>> Doesn't make for a very good user experience IMO.
>>
>> -komputes
>>
>>    (]( -. .- )[)
>>
>>
> Right ON!
>
> 9:10 cost me way more than Windows ever did, because of this little
> Speed Bump! It took weeks to be able to get on the internet, with Dial-up.
>
> Alfred!
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:17:53 -0500
> From: Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre <mathieu.tl at gmail.com>
> To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community <ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: Dial-up Modems no longer supported???
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> On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Alfred <alfred.s at nexicom.net> wrote:
> [...]
>>
>> 9:10 cost me way more than Windows ever did, because of this little Speed
>> Bump! It took weeks to be able to get on the internet, with Dial-up.
>>
>
> Hi Alfred,
>
> I appreciate the issues you've been facing. Let's see if there is
> something that can be done *now* to make installing Natty as seemless
> as possible. Perhaps you could tell us (or me offlist, if you prefer)
> more about what you use to connect, or how you did to get your system
> ready for connecting?
>
> If there is something we can get done in time, then we can improve the
> dial-up experience a bit.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre <mathieu.tl at gmail.com>
> Freenode: cyphermox, Jabber: mathieu.tl at gmail.com
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:58:34 -0800 (PST)
> From: Tek Ang <rugbeeprop at yahoo.com>
> To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community <ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: Dial-up Modems no longer supported
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> Well, this discussion intrigued me to test drive BlankOn:
> http://tek-ubuntu.blogspot.com/
>
>
>  :: Ang Tek Gie
> :: rugbeeprop at yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Tek Ang <rugbeeprop at yahoo.com>
> To: John.Hopkinson at kwictech.com; The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community
> <ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Sent: Mon, February 21, 2011 12:22:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Dial-up Modems no longer supported
>
>
>
> Who is Ubuntu's audience target?
>
> I do agree with the availability of network access around the world. We are
> fortunate living in North America where high speed Internet access is
> relatively
> available almost everywhere because we have the infrastructure for it to
> happen.
>
> When I went back to Indonesia, the majority of areas use phone line for
> their
> Internet access with various range of speed. Wifi hotspots were available in
> some areas like malls, coffee shops, etc. Growing up in Indonesia, the
> mindset
> regarding computers and technology are slightly different than us. They do
> want
> the latest and greatest things and this is where the 'pirates' come in play.
> You
> can find any software for literally less than the price  of a bag of
> peanuts.
> And most of the users (almost like any general users in North America),
> updating
> for the latest packages/updates is not as crucial as all of us in this forum
> (which I am assuming that we run updates on a daily basis).
>
> So, what I think are:
>
> 	* Dial up should be made available for now (can someone confirm that even
> Windows 7 still support it?)
> 	* Humanity has come a long way from using stone. The success is due to our
> ingenuity, creativity and looking outside the box. So, lacking high speed
> access
> may not prevent anyone from obtaining anything.
> 	* There are a few Linux distributions that are developed in some of these
> countries. Balinux and BlankOn comes to mind from Indonesia. I know there
> are
> several distributions comes from China (I don't remember the name, but one
> of
> them made the look and feel like Windows XP).
> 	* So I am sure that these distributions may address the challenges that we
> are
> discussing.
>
>
>  :: Ang Tek Gie
> :: rugbeeprop at yahoo.com
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 16:44:27 -0500
> From: komputes <komputes at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: Dial-up Modems no longer supported
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> On 02/21/2011 03:58 PM, Tek Ang wrote:
>> * Dial up should be made available for now (can someone confirm that even
>> Windows 7 still support it?)
>
> Following this guide, it seems to be quite simple.
>
> http://support.earthlink.net/articles/dialup/create-a-dial-up-networking-connection-on-windows-7.php
>
> -komputes
>
>   (]( -. .- )[)
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 14:06:48 -0800 (PST)
> From: Tek Ang <rugbeeprop at yahoo.com>
> To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community <ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: Dial-up Modems no longer supported
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> Interesting. Thanks Komputes
>
> I have to make a correct regarding Balinux. I was mistaken as it is the name
> of
> Linux user group in Bali, not Linux Distribution.
>
>  :: Ang Tek Gie
> :: rugbeeprop at yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: komputes <komputes at gmail.com>
> To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community <ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Sent: Mon, February 21, 2011 4:44:27 PM
> Subject: Re: Dial-up Modems no longer supported

> On 02/21/2011 03:58 PM, Tek Ang wrote:
>> * Dial up should be made available for now (can someone confirm that even
>> Windows 7 still support it?)
>
> Following this guide, it seems to be quite simple.
>
> http://support.earthlink.net/articles/dialup/create-a-dial-up-networking-connection-on-windows-7.php
>
>
> -komputes
>
>   (]( -. .- )[)
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Windows 7 does support dial-up, My wifes Toshiba laptop came equipped
with a dial up modem factory installed and hooking to the dial-up was
a very easy experience and seamless task.

I am very disappointed that most Linux flavours do not support those
of us on dial up. Yes you can lug that bulky desktop to your friends
20 KM down the road to update and install the necessary pkgs. and
fiddle around for a month as a newbie just trying to figure out how to
make dial-up work, and then another month trying to get it to work.
hmmm, I wonder why people still shy away from Linux and stick to their
user friendly Windows???




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