ubuntu-ca Digest, Vol 81, Issue 5

Wed Dec 14 05:43:53 UTC 2011

I merely made an observation, not a criticism. It probably is not much
different than the majority of software development teams. Something
to ponder, for those so inclined.

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>   1. Re: Faces of Ubuntu developers - an observation
>      (Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre)
>   2. Re: Faces of Ubuntu developers - an observation (Darcy Casselman)
>   3. Re: Faces of Ubuntu developers - an observation (Randall Ross)
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> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 09:25:10 -0500
> From: Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre <mathieu.tl at gmail.com>
> To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community <ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: Faces of Ubuntu developers - an observation
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> On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Ralph Pichie <thevillagegeek at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Here is the UDS group photo at Wikipedia.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:20110512-144509-UDSOneiric.jpg
>>
>> I didn't count the whole crowd, but there must have been 200 people or
>> more in the photo. I did look for what appeared to be female faces. I
>> counted only 12, with a few that were not clearly visible, mostly
>> because of bright sunlight reflections. I realize that there is less
>> of a gender imbalance in other areas, such as promotion, documentation
>> and the like, but still...
>
> Ah, this is probably true, however...
>
> What is your point? We're developing on Ubuntu to get a better
> software platform, to distribute software to the masses, etc; not to
> gawk at colleagues who happen to be of the opposite sex. ;)
>
> While it's true that there happens to be imbalance, I'd like to
> believe things are going relatively well considering that AFAIK we
> *are* very welcoming and open (and Ubuntu and the UDS have strict
> anti-harassment policies), and we have projects like Ubuntu Women (and
> that team organizes events, etc.). I'm not saying that there is
> nothing that can be done, but merely that pointing out this fact
> doesn't help.
>
> Do you believe something is missing there? If it's the case, it would
> be helpful if you could provide concrete ideas and solutions; I'll
> happily communicate them to the Community Team or to the Ubuntu Women
> team, as necessary.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre <mathieu.tl at gmail.com>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:37:54 -0500
> From: Darcy Casselman <dscassel at gmail.com>
> To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community <ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: Faces of Ubuntu developers - an observation
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> If you are concerned about the lack of gender diversity in the Ubuntu
> project (that photo, incidentally, is everybody at UDS, which includes
> documentation and community groups, not just developers), I'd encourage
> you to join the Ubuntu Women project (http://ubuntu-women.com/).  Their
> mission is specifically to encourage women to participate in Ubuntu and
> free software.
>
> I'd also welcome suggestions on how Ubuntu Canada can do more to
> encourage participation in Ubuntu by everyone, but also by women and
> other under-represented groups as well.  I've got ideas about things we
> can do at the local level, but it comes down to people and time, as with
> everything.  I'm hopeful we can start working on things next year.
>
> Also, we have an IRC meeting tomorrow night (8pm EST in #ubuntu-ca on
> Freenode).  There's not much on the agenda.  You're welcome to come
> pitch ideas about how to improve both participation and diversity in
> participation. :)
>
> Darcy.
>
> On 11-12-11 04:31 PM, Ralph Pichie wrote:
>> Here is the UDS group photo at Wikipedia.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:20110512-144509-UDSOneiric.jpg
>>
>> I didn't count the whole crowd, but there must have been 200 people or
>> more in the photo. I did look for what appeared to be female faces. I
>> counted only 12, with a few that were not clearly visible, mostly
>> because of bright sunlight reflections. I realize that there is less
>> of a gender imbalance in other areas, such as promotion, documentation
>> and the like, but still...
>>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 08:35:18 -0800
> From: Randall Ross <randall at executiv.es>
> To: ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: Faces of Ubuntu developers - an observation
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> @Ralph:
>
> A few data points: Approximately 5% of Ubuntu Members worldwide are
> female, and not everyone in that photo is a developer. Your photo link
> is from UDS-O. The female participation at UDS-P was a bit higher
> though, by my estimation.
>
> It might surprise some readers of this list to learn that UVLC (Ubuntu
> Vancouver) is approximately 18% female. That's something we are proud
> of, but we won't be satisfied until that number is closer to 51%.
>
> Cheers,
> Randall
> Ubuntu Vancouver Buzz Generator
>
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> On 11-12-12 04:00 AM, ubuntu-ca-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote:
>  > From: Ralph Pichie <thevillagegeek at gmail.com>
>  > Subject: Faces of Ubuntu developers - an observation
>  > Message-ID:
>  > <CADZ-tmnN-4d8kbLaGy10zmDCrekTs_6RdPttkdwUpT32x8ZfUA at mail.gmail.com>
>  >
>  > Here is the UDS group photo at Wikipedia.
>  >
>  > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:20110512-144509-UDSOneiric.jpg
>  >
>  > I didn't count the whole crowd, but there must have been 200 people or
>  > more in the photo. I did look for what appeared to be female faces. I
>  > counted only 12, with a few that were not clearly visible, mostly
>  > because of bright sunlight reflections. I realize that there is less
>  > of a gender imbalance in other areas, such as promotion, documentation
>  > and the like, but still...
>
>
>
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