ubuntu-ca Digest, Vol 66, Issue 8
alfred
alfred.s at nexicom.net
Sat Sep 25 00:32:35 UTC 2010
On 24/09/2010 5:07 PM, Hugh McDevitt wrote:
> TO THOSE WHO FEEL THAT UBUNTU HAS DONE THEM WRONG:
>
> STOP YOUR BITCHING! LIFE IS TOUGH! DEAL WITH IT!!!
>
> YOU DON'T LIKE UBUNTU, INSTALL OTHER LINUX DISTRIBUTION OR BETTER YET, GO TO
> TO THE STORE, PAY SOME MONEY AND GET WINDOWS 7 OR MAC OS.
> I think you miss the point. Ubuntu DOES NOT JUST WORK, Maybe if they
> got their heads out of the sand and made one version more workable,
> instead of rushing to their 6 month objective of releasing a new
> version it would JUST WORK,10.04 is supposedly a long term supported
> version, but how can it be long term supported when developers as soon
> as a new version is released are pressed into service to get the next
> 6 month release ready.
>
> Make a version that JUST WORKS and you may attract more common joes to
> the Linux world. Yes, life is tough but a lot of common joes don't
> want the hassle of fighting for days to get their computer working or
> to do what they want it to do. They neither want or care to be
> intellectually superior or power users, they just wish to have their
> computer " JUST WORK".
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>> Today's Topics:
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>> 1. Ubuntu 10.04 (Jose)
>> 2. Re: Ubuntu 10.04 (Darcy Casselman)
>> 3. Re: Ubuntu 10.04 (J)
>> 4. Re: Ubuntu 10.04 (Matthew Delaney)
>> 5. Re: Ubuntu 10.04 (Che Guebeara)
>> 6. Re: Ubuntu 10.04 (Eric)
>> 7. Re: Any parties or anything for the release of 10.10?
>> (George Standish)
>> 8. Re: Ubuntu 10.04 (Tek Ang)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 09:08:19 -0400
>> From: Jose<jtc at totaltravelmarketing.com>
>> Subject: Ubuntu 10.04
>> To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community<ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> Message-ID:<4C9CA2C3.1080202 at totaltravelmarketing.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> Not wanting to offend the hardcore guys, how is that one every single
>> occasion I have installed ubuntu on any edition, after the initial
>> install, I get the bunch of updates and then something stops working
>>
>> Just installed 10.04 on three decent desktops (as per older hardware),
>> 512 RAM, intel chip video, integrated network on board, Celeron
>> machines, first install, no problem has described above, once I get the
>> updates, something craps out, gnome no longer displays correctly or
>> network just stops working or grubs doesn't even show up when booting up
>> or apt-get can retrieve any data or the machine is uncapable of a proper
>> shutdown because of getting stuck on the network manager during the
>> shutdown sequence, these are the things that come form the top of my
>> head right now
>>
>> On the other hand, I've installed Suse or Fedora or Centos, same
>> hardware, same scenario, no problem whatsoever, the motto of "just
>> works" has never applied to my case at least when using ubuntu
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 09:46:08 -0400
>> From: Darcy Casselman<dscassel at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Ubuntu 10.04
>> To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community<ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> Message-ID:
>> <AANLkTi=t12i5XWXJLP_0cDp0zXGCVB35bJou61KsL38u at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Hi Jose,
>>
>> If there's something you need help with, let us know. Please report
>> specific bugs on Launchpad so we can make Ubuntu better.
>>
>> If it's your preference, or you're having more success with SuSE,
>> Fedora or Centos, I'd recommend sticking with those.
>>
>> Darcy.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Jose<jtc at totaltravelmarketing.com> wrote:
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> Not wanting to offend the hardcore guys, how is that one every single
>>> occasion I have installed ubuntu on any edition, after the initial
>>> install, I get the bunch of updates and then something stops working
>>>
>>> Just installed 10.04 on three decent desktops (as per older hardware),
>>> 512 RAM, intel chip video, integrated network on board, Celeron
>>> machines, first install, no problem has described above, once I get the
>>> updates, something craps out, gnome no longer displays correctly or
>>> network just stops working or grubs doesn't even show up when booting up
>>> or apt-get can retrieve any data or the machine is uncapable of a proper
>>> shutdown because of getting stuck on the network manager during the
>>> shutdown sequence, these are the things that come form the top of my
>>> head right now
>>>
>>> On the other hand, I've installed Suse or Fedora or Centos, same
>>> hardware, same scenario, no problem whatsoever, the motto of "just
>>> works" has never applied to my case at least when using ubuntu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ubuntu-ca mailing list
>>> ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com
>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ca
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:35:40 -0400
>> From: J<jtc at totaltravelmarketing.com>
>> Subject: Re: Ubuntu 10.04
>> To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community<ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> Message-ID:<4C9CB73C.2040103 at totaltravelmarketing.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> On 9/24/2010 9:46 AM, Darcy Casselman wrote:
>>> Hi Jose,
>>>
>>> If there's something you need help with, let us know. Please report
>>> specific bugs on Launchpad so we can make Ubuntu better.
>>>
>>> If it's your preference, or you're having more success with SuSE,
>>> Fedora or Centos, I'd recommend sticking with those.
>>>
>>> Darcy.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Jose<jtc at totaltravelmarketing.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> hi,
>>>>
>>>> Not wanting to offend the hardcore guys, how is that one every single
>>>> occasion I have installed ubuntu on any edition, after the initial
>>>> install, I get the bunch of updates and then something stops working
>>>>
>>>> Just installed 10.04 on three decent desktops (as per older hardware),
>>>> 512 RAM, intel chip video, integrated network on board, Celeron
>>>> machines, first install, no problem has described above, once I get the
>>>> updates, something craps out, gnome no longer displays correctly or
>>>> network just stops working or grubs doesn't even show up when booting up
>>>> or apt-get can retrieve any data or the machine is uncapable of a proper
>>>> shutdown because of getting stuck on the network manager during the
>>>> shutdown sequence, these are the things that come form the top of my
>>>> head right now
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, I've installed Suse or Fedora or Centos, same
>>>> hardware, same scenario, no problem whatsoever, the motto of "just
>>>> works" has never applied to my case at least when using ubuntu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ubuntu-ca mailing list
>>>> ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ca
>>>>
>>>
>> Well, its more about the thing that every single place has this thing
>> for Ubuntu, where is glorified to the point where is upsetting to see
>> that "just it works", when it doesn't, not misunderstand me, I like
>> Ubuntu, but this software may "just work" on newer hardware rather than
>> older, but of course Canonical wont tell you that
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 08:49:03 -0600
>> From: Matthew Delaney<matthew.l.delaney at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Ubuntu 10.04
>> To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community<ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> Message-ID:
>> <AANLkTimwJvTBX+of=Gk_sOXqWF=UZeMZUP9G8D3B42-8 at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Jose,
>>
>> The best way to get things working better is to file a bug report; in the
>> mean time, if there is some specific problem you having let us know. There
>> are a lot of knowledgeable people who would probably be happy to help you
>> out if they can. I know first hand that hardware/driver issues can be
>> annoying and time consuming to fix, so let us know and someone may be able
>> to help.
>>
>> cheers
>> `Matt
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:35 AM, J<jtc at totaltravelmarketing.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/24/2010 9:46 AM, Darcy Casselman wrote:
>>>> Hi Jose,
>>>>
>>>> If there's something you need help with, let us know. Please report
>>>> specific bugs on Launchpad so we can make Ubuntu better.
>>>>
>>>> If it's your preference, or you're having more success with SuSE,
>>>> Fedora or Centos, I'd recommend sticking with those.
>>>>
>>>> Darcy.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Jose<jtc at totaltravelmarketing.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Not wanting to offend the hardcore guys, how is that one every single
>>>>> occasion I have installed ubuntu on any edition, after the initial
>>>>> install, I get the bunch of updates and then something stops working
>>>>>
>>>>> Just installed 10.04 on three decent desktops (as per older hardware),
>>>>> 512 RAM, intel chip video, integrated network on board, Celeron
>>>>> machines, first install, no problem has described above, once I get the
>>>>> updates, something craps out, gnome no longer displays correctly or
>>>>> network just stops working or grubs doesn't even show up when booting
>>>>> up
>>>>> or apt-get can retrieve any data or the machine is uncapable of a
>>>>> proper
>>>>> shutdown because of getting stuck on the network manager during the
>>>>> shutdown sequence, these are the things that come form the top of my
>>>>> head right now
>>>>>
>>>>> On the other hand, I've installed Suse or Fedora or Centos, same
>>>>> hardware, same scenario, no problem whatsoever, the motto of "just
>>>>> works" has never applied to my case at least when using ubuntu
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> ubuntu-ca mailing list
>>>>> ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ca
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> Well, its more about the thing that every single place has this thing
>>> for Ubuntu, where is glorified to the point where is upsetting to see
>>> that "just it works", when it doesn't, not misunderstand me, I like
>>> Ubuntu, but this software may "just work" on newer hardware rather than
>>> older, but of course Canonical wont tell you that
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ubuntu-ca mailing list
>>> ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com
>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ca
>>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:06:00 -0400
>> From: Che Guebeara<cheguebeara at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Ubuntu 10.04
>> To: jtc at totaltravelmarketing.com, The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community
>> <ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> Message-ID:<1285340760.1501.5.camel at gringo>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> No conspiracy theory there... I am running 10.04 on 4 machines right
>> now, all installed fresh, two running in remote mode from my main
>> desktop... and the newest machine is a P3 (4 perhaps?) 1.5 GHz... I
>> find that with older machines at least 500 megs of RAM and 128 - 256
>> megs of VRAM are the ticket. And avoid Intel motherboards... had nothing
>> but problems with video with Intel boards with onboard video... yukka!
>>
>> M.
>>
>> On Fri, 2010-09-24 at 10:35 -0400, J wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>
>>> Well, its more about the thing that every single place has this thing
>>> for Ubuntu, where is glorified to the point where is upsetting to see
>>> that "just it works", when it doesn't, not misunderstand me, I like
>>> Ubuntu, but this software may "just work" on newer hardware rather than
>>> older, but of course Canonical wont tell you that
>>>
>>>
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:08:36 -0300
>> From: Eric<1ballistic1 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Ubuntu 10.04
>> To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community<ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> Message-ID:
>> <AANLkTimrY3Mj51uGos10RowtTknuWyn7=4MuMFQv-+1U at mail.gmail.com>
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>>
>> Personally, I have to second the dislike of Intel boards, but I'm also
>> aware there's a very good reason you'll see "YMMV" in a lot of forums
>> ("Your Mileage May Vary")
>>
>> I do have 10.04 running on an old P4 Celeron on an Asus board....had
>> to do funny stuff for the onboard network there, but at least ubuntu
>> picked it up...the 6 or 7 others i was playing with at the time didn't
>> like it near as much.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Che Guebeara<cheguebeara at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> No conspiracy theory there... I am running 10.04 on 4 machines right now,
>>> all installed fresh, two running in remote mode from my main desktop...
>>> and
>>> the newest machine is a P3 (4 perhaps?) 1.5 GHz...? I find that with older
>>> machines at least 500 megs of RAM and 128 - 256 megs of VRAM are the
>>> ticket.
>>> And avoid Intel motherboards... had nothing but problems with video with
>>> Intel boards with onboard video... yukka!
>>>
>>> M.
>>>
>>> On Fri, 2010-09-24 at 10:35 -0400, J wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>> Well, its more about the thing that every single place has this thing
>>> for Ubuntu, where is glorified to the point where is upsetting to see
>>> that "just it works", when it doesn't, not misunderstand me, I like
>>> Ubuntu, but this software may "just work" on newer hardware rather than
>>> older, but of course Canonical wont tell you that
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ubuntu-ca mailing list
>>> ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com
>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ca
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 12:11:59 -0400
>> From: George Standish<george.standish at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Any parties or anything for the release of 10.10?
>> To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community<ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> Message-ID:
>> <AANLkTikr3zhy7jvV=5pvn9G3F0QjYLRbZLqbiWRJMnXK at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> I just added the details to the Loco Directory for Ottawa's release
>> party. We decided to go with a breakfast, in hopes of maximizing
>> attendance on this Canadian Thanksgiving weekend.
>>
>> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/404/detail/
>>
>> In short, 10:10AM on 10-10-10 at Atomic Rooster located at 303 Bank
>> Street Ottawa.
>>
>> Hope to see you there,
>> George (aka ZykoticK9)
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:16:16 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Tek Ang<rugbeeprop at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: Ubuntu 10.04
>> To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community<ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> Message-ID:<932755.49452.qm at web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Here are my two cents:
>>
>> I have been using Ubuntu since 07.04. And If I remember correctly, I have
>> been
>> using Ubuntu full time on my personal laptop sometimes in the mid 2008,
>> switching from Windows XP and Vista.
>>
>> Over the past three years, just like everyone, I have experienced the ups
>> and
>> downs of each release. For example, 9.04 and 9.10, I had to manually
>> activate/connect my Bluetooth Headset to work. However, since 10.04,
>> activating/connecting a Bluetooth device is as simple as clicking a couple
>> of
>> switches.
>>
>> What I have learned and appreciate about Ubuntu and Linux and FOSS?
>>
>> The whole system is a WIP. Sometimes, it works, sometimes it does not. Also,
>> the
>> good thing about where we are is that we get new flavour every six months
>> for
>> FREE. You don't have to use or try the new flavour, but for someone like me,
>> who
>> gets bored easily, it is great, and did I mentioned FREE? In comparison to
>> other
>> proprietary OSs, that releases major versions every few years for a PRICE,
>> AND
>> with the risk of the new versions being obsolete (e.g. Windows 98 first
>> edition
>> and Windows ME. Coming soon, Windows Vista).
>>
>>
>> Another thing that I appreciate about FOSS as a whole is that it is a
>> community.
>> We are all in here for common good. Yes, Ubuntu is funded by Cannonical and
>> for
>> that we should be grateful, because otherwise, Ubuntu would not have been
>> where
>> it is today.
>>
>> So, my word of wisdom is...
>>
>> If one flavour does not meet your needs/requirements, use the flavour that
>> meets
>> your needs/requirements. This is what FOSS all about. There is no need to be
>> negative about it because all you are doing is that you are being
>> ungrateful.
>>
>> Here is where you may want to stop reading this email if you feel that you
>> may
>> get offended. Read at your own risk. I will not response to any negative
>> feedback from anyone reading the next few sentences.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> TO THOSE WHO FEEL THAT UBUNTU HAS DONE THEM WRONG:
>>
>> STOP YOUR BITCHING! LIFE IS TOUGH! DEAL WITH IT!!!
>>
>> YOU DON'T LIKE UBUNTU, INSTALL OTHER LINUX DISTRIBUTION OR BETTER YET, GO TO
>> TO THE STORE, PAY SOME MONEY AND GET WINDOWS 7 OR MAC OS.
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Eric<1ballistic1 at gmail.com>
>> To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community<ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> Sent: Fri, September 24, 2010 12:08:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: Ubuntu 10.04
>>
>> Personally, I have to second the dislike of Intel boards, but I'm also
>> aware there's a very good reason you'll see "YMMV" in a lot of forums
>> ("Your Mileage May Vary")
>>
>> I do have 10.04 running on an old P4 Celeron on an Asus board....had
>> to do funny stuff for the onboard network there, but at least ubuntu
>> picked it up...the 6 or 7 others i was playing with at the time didn't
>> like it near as much.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Che Guebeara<cheguebeara at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> No conspiracy theory there... I am running 10.04 on 4 machines right now,
>>> all installed fresh, two running in remote mode from my main desktop...
>>> and
>>> the newest machine is a P3 (4 perhaps?) 1.5 GHz... I find that with older
>>> machines at least 500 megs of RAM and 128 - 256 megs of VRAM are the
>>> ticket.
>>> And avoid Intel motherboards... had nothing but problems with video with
>>> Intel boards with onboard video... yukka!
>>>
>>> M.
>>>
>>> On Fri, 2010-09-24 at 10:35 -0400, J wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>> Well, its more about the thing that every single place has this thing
>>> for Ubuntu, where is glorified to the point where is upsetting to see
>>> that "just it works", when it doesn't, not misunderstand me, I like
>>> Ubuntu, but this software may "just work" on newer hardware rather than
>>> older, but of course Canonical wont tell you that
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ubuntu-ca mailing list
>>> ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com
>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ca
>>>
>>>
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>
I went through all this in 9.10. Got pretty fed up, BUT, I invested all
kinds of time in Linux. So I tried 10.04, gee it worked good, and up
until now even upgrades worked good, too, no Breaking software so far.
So I'll hold back a bit with the Upgrades now that Breaking News of
Breaking Software has started again. I'm not sure what all the Bad
Packages are, but I hope those that find them, will post on the bug
list, and when they are fixed, well then I may upgrade, but not until
then. I'm using a Windows Accounting Program, just incase because it
made things very hard to catch up with, when it broke in 9.10.
I don't have high speed in the home, only dial-up, so downloading
programs in Ubuntu with a USB modem, or even with USB Wifi does not work
very well, so I use Windows for Email, and the Web. The USB to RS232
Cable does not work well either, so an RS232 Modem does not work at all!.
So I can't use my RS232 MODEM for dial-up anymore in Ubuntu. I
suggested earlier perhaps we contact some people on Instructables Dot
Com, because some people there, like to use an Open Source Computer to
make interfaces with. If Big Companies shy away from their hardware
using open source drivers, most likely These People can make Linux
Friendly Hardware Interfaces with Open Source Drivers, (such as Modems,
Usb to Wifi devices, and others that now don't work that well in Linux.)
that Ubuntu or other Linux Platforms can make use of. So that we can use
hardware with any function, with no fear of No Driver. Time was that I
could do a whole bunch with Linux, but for about the last year, My new
Computer does not have an old Comm. Port, only USB Ports.
I'd say you are right about the 3-4 years, and there are bound to be
Glitches here and there. With a new release there are testing Phases,
but as far as I know there are no testing phases, with upgrades, perhaps
if we toy with that, before something gets published, or talk with some
of these other distro's that don't break things so much on upgrades,
they might tell us some of their method, that we might be able to adopt.
Then there might be a whole bunch more confidence in doing upgrades when
the bugs have been tackled before they get published.
I hope this AIN't Seen as Bitchin!
Alfred!
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