Farewell, Ubuntu

[dartrod]

Victor, thanx for the candid reply and I'm sure your right.  However, I 
am not looking for another hobby I have plenty, I am through with PC's 
as a hobby and an IT professional, after years of being an early adopter 
and living on the bleeding edge  I am looking for a better alternative 
not a new challenge.

I don't see a MAC in my future either, the commercials p**s me off.

I may end up sticking with XP sp3 and some good utilities.

Ralph

Victor Mendonça wrote:
> It looks like you might be looking for a MAC, and not a Linux or Windows machine!
>
> Ubuntu comes to me as my personal choice as far as operating system. Now, this is my choice, and it varies according to what the user needs. Linux is an operating system that requires time to learn, time to troubleshoot and you should actually enjoy the time you spend doing that stuff. In my opinion is well spent time and I take it as personal achievement. For example, I just finished writing a simple shell script that will make my life a bit easier... and I'm proud of that.
>
> I used Windows my whole life, and one of the things I used to hate was security. I had 1x AV, 1x firewall, 2x spyware programs plus IE and firefox security tools on my desktop. Every year I had to renew those programs, and every few years not only I had to buy another copy of Windows but also drastically upgrade my hardware. Not to mention how Windows drags after you install a few heavy applications.
>
> My servers at home not long ago (aprox. 4 months) were running mmx processors with 200MHz. This is something I would never be able to do with Windows. My daughter PC (a P2) dual boots between Edubuntu and XP. My brother in law PC also has Ubuntu. He doesn't know anything about Linux, but somehow he can do stuff on GUI that I only know how to do via CLI.
>
> I'm a big fun of Ubuntu due to the amount of free software available for download. No other distro has a so easy to use package manager like Ubuntu. If this was different I might already have changed to a different distro.
>
> Linux is open for customization, and one must be wiling to learn how to customize it to get it working properly. At least we don't have to program our own driver anymore like in the old days. This brings another issue, DRIVERS. It's not Ubuntu (or any other distro) fault that most vendors do not provide drivers for Linux. Most vendors are still thinking that Windows is the only way, which is wrong. Nowadays with the technology we have for virtualization is becoming hard to create a boundary between the many different OSs. You can have Windows MAC and Linux running on the same machine and at the same time. This brings you to the truthfull best OS of all. And I can tell you which is.....  They all are!! Every OS has something good to bring to the table, depending on what you necessities are. In my humble opnion, you can use something like this to decide:
>
> MAC - Ready and easy to use. Perfect for the person who does not want to spend time fixing computer problems (and have lots of money in their prockets)
> Windows - Best for compatibility with hardware and programs. You choice for most games as well. Good for the user that doesn't care too much about security
> Linux - Best OS for customization. Allows you to take the OS to any level you want, as long as you are willing to spend the time to learn.
>
> Of course, this is just my opinion. I'm sure that we will get a lot more here!! 
>
> Regards,
>
> Victor Mendonça
> IT Worker - Linux enthusiast
> http://wazem.org/
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: dartrod <dartrod at airsurfer.ca>
> To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community <ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 5, 2008 7:31:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Farewell, Ubuntu
>
> Thanx for the reply, I will file a report.  
>
> Update!!! tried to report a bug and neither Ubuntu 8.04  or
> Hardy Heron is recognized couldn't get any further, yet another
> problem!!!!
>
> Don't get me wrong I am looking fory a superior replacement for
> Windows that the average user can Install and use out of the box.
>
> I am not looking to switch one set of problems for another.
>
> My wife daughter and grandson would also be able to use Ubuntu if they
> were provided with a perfectly functioning computer, that's my point.
>
> As to Ubuntu sound problems, Google"Ubuntu sound problems" and see what
> you get.  Sound in Ubuntu 8.04 is a huge problem.  I am surprised this
> issue wasn't addressed immediately.
>
> I am not giving up on Ubuntu yet, I am going out of my way (buying a
> computer specifically for the purpose)  This isn't even a dual boot
> machine.
>
> I sure don't agree with your last statement at this point, except that
> Vista is a giant step backward.
>
> I agree that Unix and Linux have been used in the back end to great
> success, however I am talking about the desktop.
>
> I am looking forward to the next iteration of Ubuntu.  Hopefully my
> expectations will be met.
>
> Ralph Janke wrote: 
> dartrod wrote:
>
> 1. Printer installation was not as straight forward as it should be, but 
> eventually resolved.  Not a user friendly experience.
>
>
> Well.. that can happen with Windows as well. Especially Vista is
> very bad with supporting old peripherals.
>
> On the other hand, I just bought an HP All-in-one printer here (my
> usual one is still on the way). I intended to install the driver and
> was positively surprised. Ubuntu 8.04 informed me just after
> plugging the printer in the usb port that I could use it. There
> could not be any better usability for this particular printer.
>
>
>
> 2. Lack of display control from the desktop.  Resolved by switching 
> monitors until I found a monitor that was satisfactory.  Again not a 
> user friendly solution.
>
>
>
> I had similar problems with Windows before. Again, I agree
> we need to work harder to resolve the remaining issues, but that
> does not put Ubuntu or Linux in a worse spot than Windows.
>
>
> 3.  Sound doesn't work.  I have searched for a solution that doesn't 
> involve rebuilding whatever.  Again not user friendly and a show stopper.
>
>
>
> Again, I personally have not found any hardware yet to have this
> problem with Ubuntu. I have with Windows. However, for both 7.10
> and 8.04, I have seen a lot of support requests and bugs for this
> issue in the Ubuntu database.
>
>
> I am awaiting the next version hoping the sound problem will be 
> addressed.  I know, I know, that hacking the distro and hardware could 
> likely solve these problems.  All that would prove is that Ubuntu is not 
> ready for the average user.
>
>
>
> Well, if we would get the information on how hacking the distro would
> solve the problem, we would include the fixes and therefore over time
> disprove your statement that Ubuntu is not ready yet for the average
> end-user.
>
> Btw. My wife (not a computer geek) and my 10-year old son are using
> exclusively Ubuntu for the last 4 years. Given, I have installed their
> computers, but then, you do not buy a PC without installed OS anyway.
> Given that if you would be able to buy your computer in the shop already
> configured and installed, you would have the same experience as with
> the Windows computer you get currently (very likely even better). Adding
> additional software on Windows PC causes often far worse problems than
> with Ubuntu. Under this perspective, Ubuntu is far more ready for the
> average end-user than Vista is.
>
>
>
> If the sound problem and other problems are not solved with the next 
> version of Ubuntu it will be Bye Bye Ubuntu and I will not recommending 
> Ubuntu  to anyone.
>
>
> Well, in contrast to Windows, you have the opportunity to
> support the efforts to resolve these issue. Please
> file a report with all the necessary details on
> http://answer.launchpad.net
> or http://bugs.launchpad.net , and maybe test possible fixes if they are
> announced.
>
> Windows has it's problems but they can be resolved fairly easily by the 
> average user and if not there is a ton of expertise readily available.
>
>
>
> Well, I am an IT professional for 25 years and I have never had more
> problems
> with any system but Windows. Some say, it is supposed to be like that
> because
> that means that I could always have a job. However, I believe Linux is
> the future.
> Also, compare Ubuntu with Windows 3.1 or Windows 95 not with Windows XP.
> Linux
> has not even half the lifetime as Windows has, but already a comparable
> user-friendliness
> as Windows with a far superior stability (I vever ran a Windows server
> for 3 years without
> reboot).
>
> And the biggest plus for Linux is, everybody can participate in making
> it better. I understand
> that it is often frustrating when issue that happen to you personally
> are not resolved
> within short time, one can get very frustrated. On the other hand, there
> is a lot of
> expertise available for Linux and Unix systems. Otherwise, it would not
> be the case that
> world-wide the financial industry are changing their back-office systems
> to Linux, while
> almost all high-availability systems in the telecommunication industry
> are Unix systems (in
> the future likely to be Linux or Open Source Unix).
>
> Therefore, again my plea. Please report your issues at the central place
> for ubuntu, that
> we can take care of them.
>
> Thanks for your help in making Linux better every day!
>
> - Ralph
>
> My configuration is:
>
> AMD Athelon 64 LE 1640 2.6 GHZ 45 watt L2-1MB AM2
> AMD Athelon 64 original Stock Fan and Heatsink
> Kingston DDR2 PC2-5400 1GN/667 MHz
> BIOSTAR MCP6P-M2 (NVIDIA GF6150, SATAII, RAID, DDR2-800
> NVIDIA GeForce 6150 GPU Memory share upto 512MB
> Onboard High Definition Audio
> Onboard Network Card
> 450W ATX Power Supply
> Western Digital CaviarSE 160GB 7200RPM SATA
> LG DVD-RAM GSA-H55N
>
>
> Ralph Walker
> Calmar, Alberta
>
> 2  PC's and 2 laptops in the house.
>
>
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