Ubuntu users in Ontario, Canada?
volksman
v0lksman69 at gmail.com
Tue Jun 24 15:00:35 UTC 2008
Sure, however Dell is shipping Desktop not Server. What you are trying
to do is server. As you said your family is having a great time using
Ubuntu for all sorts of desktop applications without much curve. It's
only when you try to step outside the 'user' realm you run into issues.
As I said in my note this would be the case regardless of the OS.
It's kinda like saying you need to know how your cars engine works in
order to drive the car. Not the case. Lots of people can drive, very
few know how to fix them. Ford isn't responsible for showing you how to
drive let alone how their engine works. However you CAN read and figure
it all out on your own. Or you can take classes to learn to drive
and/or become a mechanic. Once you have a good understanding of an
engine you MAY even venture to build your own or tinker with your
existing to make it better. But I doubt you've
What you are trying to do is not something the general public is
interested in. The demand may be on the rise but for the most part
people are fine using p2p apps to share music with friends. Sure it's
quassi illegal (in canada) however that is besides the point (especially
since what you are trying to do would be considered worse that p2p
sharing since you went out of your way to setup the serving side, where
with p2p you can still claim ignorance and say you didn't know you were
uploading). My point is, that is WHY p2p became so popular. It was/is
an easy way of serving songs you like and checking out what others are
serving too. No one needs to setup Apache or PHP and learn languages etc...
And again (just following your logic), try doing this setup in Microsoft
(XP,2K,2K3,2K8 server or desktop products) and then report back to tell
us if it was any easier. I can tell you without a doubt it is not.
Especially if you don't know how the engine works. :)
So this isn't a "linux" or Ubuntu issue. There's a good reason web devs
and sys admins make the money they do. This isn't for everyone.
geo wrote:
>
> Perhaps you are right, but please consider Ubuntu ships on Dell computers.
>
>
>
> This will draw a lot of interest then. And when these new people try
> to do stuff, they will encounter these same issues I've encountered.
>
>
>
> What will the response be then?
>
>
>
> The software is extremely convoluted and hard. And if Ubuntu expands
> further, this confusion will only spread unless something is done to
> ease it - or people will simply give up, trash Ubuntu and continue to
> support Micro$oft, something which I don't think is in Ubuntu's best
> interests.
>
>
>
> If I seem critical, it's only because I think there should be a more
> user-friendly way to accomplish stuff that is currently in the hands
> only of web gurus who understand this very complicated stuff.
>
>
>
> It's not the first time BTW......if it weren't for Mabel Hubbard, we
> wouldn't have the telephone - Alexander Bell was so obsessed with
> pefecting the technical part, he wouldn't patent it. It was only his
> wife - Mabel - who forcibly took it from him and her father patented
> it in Bell's name.
>
>
>
> Just my 2 cents worth. I'll try some of this stuff when I get home.
>
>
>
> geo
>
>
>
> --- On *Tue, 6/24/08, volksman /<v0lksman69 at gmail.com>/* wrote:
>
> From: volksman <v0lksman69 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Ubuntu users in Ontario, Canada?
> To: "The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community" <ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Cc: yaktur at yahoo.com
> Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 10:11 AM
>
> Geo:
>
> Firstly let me just say, coming into any group of volunteers who are
> more than willing to help you work through your problems and constantly
> bashing the product the volunteers are willing to support is not good
> protocol. We all started somewhere, looking at this OS (or any OS for
> that matter) with dropped jaw wondering where the hell to start. We all
> learnt this crap for one reason or another so it is very possible for
> you to learn it too. Remember what it was like when you got your first
> copy of Windows95 and tried to figure out how to get dial up networking
> going? So relax. It's nothing personal. You can't just jump in and
> be
> a pro.
>
> Secondly you are bashing Ubuntu for not having a point and click web
> server solution that caters to -your- needs. Have you tried to do any
> of this under Windows? It would be just as confusing to you. You
> (apparently) don't have the knowledge or understanding of how web pages
> are served, and that web serving depends on a lot of smaller
> applications to work together. Nothing wrong with that, however this
> would be the case regardless of the OS running the software.
>
> Thirdly as Alfred mentioned: Apache big chew, PHP big chew, mySQL big
> chew, Joomla big chew. All very intensive programs with a lot to learn
> to feel comfortable.
>
> So, with that said let's move on to the help and forget the trash talk
> for a bit.
>
> Here are a few steps to take to get a LAMP server with Joomla setup.
> You will be on your own with Joomla as I've never used it. However we
> should at the very least be able to get it installed. This will also
> correct any problems you may have introduced with your magical Apache
> install so follow every step even if you think it's already done.... :)
>
> Start by installing mysql and getting it configured for use (taken and
> clarified from http://howtoforge.com/perfect_server_ubuntu7.10_p6):
>
> In a terminal run:
>
> sudo apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client libmysqlclient15-dev
>
> You will be prompted for the mysql root user password. Leave it blank
> if you want however I would suggest you enter a password, keep it handy.
>
> Super. mySQL is installed and should be running.
>
> Now lets get Apache and PHP installed:
>
> Again in a terminal run (all one line!!!!)
>
> sudo apt-get install apache2 apache2-doc apache2-mpm-prefork
> apache2-utils libexpat1 ssl-cert libapache2-mod-php5 php5 php5-common
> php5-curl php5-dev php5-gd php5-idn php-pear php5-imagick php5-imap
> php5-json php5-mcrypt php5-memcache php5-mhash php5-ming php5-mysql
> php5-ps php5-pspell php5-recode php5-snmp php5-sqlite php5-tidy
> php5-xmlrpc php5-xsl phpmyadmin
>
> You will be asked the following question:
>
> Continue installing libc-client without Maildir support? <-- Yes
>
> Next we need to edit /etc/apache2/mods-available/dir.conf:
>
> gksudo gedit /etc/apache2/mods-available/dir.conf
>
> and change the file to look like this:
>
> <IfModule mod_dir.c>
>
> #DirectoryIndex index.html index.cgi index.pl index.php
> index.xhtml
> DirectoryIndex index.html index.htm index.shtml index.cgi
> index.php index.php3 index.pl index.xhtml
>
> </IfModule>
>
> Now we have to enable some Apache modules (SSL, rewrite, suexec, and
> include).
>
> in a terminal run these one by one:
>
> a2enmod ssl
> a2enmod rewrite
> a2enmod suexec
> a2enmod include
> /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload
>
> Super! Apache, PHP and phpmyadmin are now installed. Only a few more
> steps.
>
> Now. Let's download the Joomla package and get it unpacked. From a
> terminal type:
>
> cd
> mkdir joomla
> cd joomla
> wget
> http://joomlacode.org/gf/download/frsrelease/6828/22537/Joomla_1.0.15-Stable-Full_Package.tar.gz
> tar zxvf Joomla_1.0.15-Stable-Full_Package.tar.gz
>
> This has downloaded Joomla and unpacked it in your home directory in a
> sub directory called joomla. We need to move that to your web servers
> document root (IE the directory that the web server knows to serve. By
> default this is /var/www so in a terminal type the following:
>
> sudo cp -r ~/joomla/* /var/www/.
>
> At this point you should be able to call up the install page in a
> browser. You will need to fill in some blanks here for me. In your
> browser browse to:
>
> http://IPOFYOURSERVER/
>
> You should see a Joomla pre-install check page. It should complain
> about some permissions. So let's fix those. You will need to find out
> what user Apache runs as (I may have changed it on my server so you will
> need to verify this). In a terminal run:
>
> ps aux|grep apache
>
> Note the very first column. It will either be 'nobody' or
> 'apache'
> (ignore the one line that has root as the user..). So if it is nobody
> then type this in a terminal:
>
> sudo chgrp -R nogroup /var/www
> sudo chmod -R g+w /var/www
>
> If the user that runs apache was apache then run this:
>
> sudo chgrp -R apache /var/www
> sudo chmod -R g+w /var/www
>
> Now hit the "Check Again" button in your browser on the pre-check
> page.
> The only thing that should still not be writeable is configuration.php.
> That's fine we will deal with that later. Everything else should be
> green. Now hit the "Next" button. Accept the license by hitting
> "Next". Now it will ask about the database. So here we need to
> create
> a new DB for Joomla. In a new browser open
> http://IPOFSERVER/phpmyadmin again I may have changed my config so this
> may or may not work for you. Just let me know and I will help you
> figure that out. If you can get in then we need to enter 'joomla' or
> whatever you want to call the DB in the "Create a new Database" field
> on
> the main page. Leave it as Collation and hit submit. This will create
> a blank DB for you. Now we need to create a username and password to
> access that DB. So hit the "SQL" tab at the top of the page you are
> redirected to and put this in the text box:
>
> grant all privileges on joomla.* to 'joomlaadmin'@'localhost'
> identified
> by 'passwordofyourchoosing';
>
> Ok. A small explanation: joomla.* would be whatever database name you
> decided in the previous step. So if you called it mushrooms then
> mushrooms.* would be the first piece. The second part is a username of
> your choosing. So lets use another example of
> 'mushroomsadmin'@'localhost' and the last part is a password of
> your
> choosing. When you have the line the way you want hit submit. It
> should say it was successful.
>
> Now go back to the browser that has the Joomla install and enter the
> following:
>
> hostname: localhost
> username: joomlaadmin (or whatever you decided on)
> password: yourpassword
> database name: joomla (or again whatever you decided on)
>
> Leave the rest as they are and hit Next.
>
> Next it asks for a site name. I assume this is a pretty name that can
> be changed later in the config. So enter whatever you want in this
> field and hit next.
>
> So this page I would leave the first two fields alone for now. Should
> have been able to guess the right info. This can also be modified later.
>
> Enter your e-mail address and write down or change the admin password.
> Then where it talks about permissions hit the button beside "CHMOD files
> to" and put a check in both sections to allow group to write. Hit Next.
>
> You should be on Step 4 now. So here it tells us to remove the install
> dir and gives us our config file. So let's put the config file in place
> first. In a terminal type:
>
> gksudo gedit /var/www/configuration.php
>
> Copy the entire text on the web page enclosed in <?php ............ ?>
> and paste it into the window that just opened. Then save and exit.
> Next in a terminal run this:
>
> sudo rm -rf /var/www/installation <- carefull with that command make
> sure that you type it correct. It can be dangerous.
>
> SUPER!!! WE ARE DONE!
>
> At this point you can hit the two buttons on that last Joomla page
> (either View Site or Administer). Bookmark both so you know how to get
> to either one.
>
> That's it! You are now on your own with the setup of your page. Joomla
> and all it's support apps are installed and ready to go. You may also
> want to read up on Joomla security as the permissions may not be the
> best (they let us setup joomla but putting it into the wild like that
> MAY be a problem).
>
> If you have any problems at any step above let me know and I will break
> it down a little more for you.
>
> Hope that helps (and keeps you busy! :) ).
>
>
> geo wrote:
> > I'm on a bit of a time-budget so if I can't get this working in a
> > month or two, I have no choice but to give up on it and get on to
> > other tasks which will become much more pressing in the near future,
> > one of those tasks includes finishing up the wireless network of the
> > Windows computers at the farm properties - quite a task.
> >
> > I simply don't have the luxury of trying to do this "that
> way". It's
> > not in the cards. Sorry.
> >
> > geo
> >
> >
> > Hi Again:
> >
> > >From the Language that you are using, you seem to be doing very
> complex
> > things in the other operating systems. Linux is the thing you are
> > interested in, so take a bit of time to learn some of the basics with
> it
> > before trying to do the same kind of very complex things, with Linux.
> > Not doing this
> > makes the learning curve Slew Rate very sudden. You are
> > talking about PHP, and that is a very thick Book, and SQL, and that is
> a
> > very thick book, and you are a Noob to Linux too, and that is a very
> > thick Book. Learn a bit of Linux just by it's self. Now the
> Learning
> > curve is very gradual. Then when you've mastered the GUI of your
> Choice,
> > and a bit of the shell, then Start with SQL. After you got the basics
> > with that then go to PHP. Then what people tell you will make some
> > sense, in the Linux way of looking at it. The lingo is a bit different
> > in Linux, and after some basics you will know what people are saying
> > when you go on a forum.
> >
> > Make things a bit simple, it's not that you are simple, it just
> makes it
> > easy to grasp the concepts in Linux this way.
> >
> > Alfred!
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: geo <yaktur at yahoo.com>
> > Reply-To: yaktur at yahoo.com, The Canadian Ubuntu Users
> > Community
> > <ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com>
> > To: Mark W. Law <bear at wightman.ca>
> > Cc: ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: Re: Ubuntu users in Ontario, Canada?
> > Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:26:00 -0700 (PDT)
> > Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199
> >
> >
> > Sorry, but how do I do this?
> >
> > I tried getting phpMySQLAdmin by either Synaptic or by typing sudo
> > apt-get install phpMySQLAdmin in the Alt+F2 window.
> >
> > Nothing. It doesn't exist in either place.
> >
> > But even if it did, how would i create a new blank database? I
> don't
> > know any of this stuff.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > geo
> > PS: Sorry if I came off as a little testy before, this thing just EATS
> > so much of my time just to experiment and fail at it again and again.
> >
> >
> >
> > - download and install phpMySQLAdmin (used to admin MySQL
> databases)
> >
> > - In phpmysqladmin create a new blank database and call it,
> say,
> >
> > 'joomla'
> >
> > - Point your browser to http://localhost/[NAME OF THE FOLDER
> YOU
> > CREATED]/index.php
> >
> > - Follow the prompts to
> > install Joomla (it will want the name of the blank
> > database you just created)
> >
> > :)
> >
> > M.
> >
> > On Monday 23 June 2008 20:16:34 you wrote:
> > > Hi Mark
> > >
> > > Ok, I've downloaded Joomla and extracted it to a
> folder on my
> > desktop.
> > >
> > > I don't know how to install it though.
> > >
> > > Joomla isn't in Synaptic so I had to download it from
> the
> > website.
> > >
> > > There are several files:
> > >
> > > CHANGELOG.php
> > > configuration.php-dist
> > > COPYRIGHT.php
> > > globals.php
> > > htaccess.txt
> > > index.php
> >
> > > index2.php
> > > INSTALL.php
> > > LICENSE.php
> > > mainbody.php
> > > offline.php
> > > offlinebar.php
> > > pathway.php
> > > robots.txt
> > >
> > > ....as well as several folders.
> > >
> > > When I double-click on INSTALL.php, it opens Firefox and
> then
> > Firefox
> > keeps
> > > asking what to do with INSTALL.php: Open with Firefox or
> save to
> > disk?
> > >
> > > So I keep clicking "Open" and it just repeats
> and
> > repeats.
> > >
> > > What do I do with this Joomla then?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > geo
> >
> >
>
>
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