Suggestion for multi-function printer/scanner was Re: TWO QUESTIONS
Andrew Hunter
andy.hunter at rogers.com
Sat Jan 20 23:32:02 UTC 2007
On Saturday 20 January 2007 11:26, G Williams Webmaster Ubuntuvoice.com wrote:
> I have an HP laser which isn't supported by Dapper. Similarly I went
> to the various sites trying to get cups to work. Allegedly it works in
> edgy (laserjet 1018) I think I got it to print once. Not a focus
> because I am really trying to get an ubuntustudio going
> (ubuntustudio.org) before the April release date. It would be more
> often nice to print stuff, but not essential, if I can read it on
> the screen fine.
Whats you nick on IRC?
Mine is rexbron, I am helping package Soma and Murrine for Ubuntu Studio.
>
> So after I was done fiddling with multimedia apps, I tried a simple but
> not elegant or final solution. I put the printer on my wife's windows
> machine, my son does his home work there anyway (okay between games)
> and through Samba it works.
>
> I am I suppose not totally against windows, but the upgrading stops
> here as does the verifications for an operating system I own (Dell OEM
> version keeps wanting a different serial # every time I reinstall for
> some reason.) Mad experiments can more easily prevail in Linux, and
> Mr Ubuntu not Mr Gates has a far more liberal approach to installing
> over and over again (till you get it right). The answer is short "sure!".
>
> So yeah, hardware will always be an issue until manufacturers decide
> they want to finally kill their relationships with Bill and have an open
> and honest one with the public.
>
> C. Martens wrote:
> > About 18 months ago, back in my winblows days, I got tired of buying
> > expensive (for inkjets, anyway) printers for which the printer would
> > outlast the availability of the very expensive ink refills. I was
> > going to go laser, but the downstroke of replacing the toner and drum
> > made this prohibitive during my financially-strained periods, so I
> > ended up buying an ultra-cheap brother mfc 210c, figuring that if it
> > did break down or become hard to buy supplies for, at least I wouldn't
> > be out a lot of $. I love it, the company's tech support and attitude
> > (they support Linux), and the way I was able to install it pretty
> > darned well when I moved to Kubuntu. The companies I work for usually
> > have laser, so I occasionally end up doing some things in colour at
> > home (e.g. a training dvd insert, overhead presentations), and of
> > course, my son's high-school artwork.
> >
> > The Brother MFC-210C isn't supported by kubuntu out-of-the-CD/box, but
> > there are some pretty good howtos about how to install it on the web
> > (I even took a stab at writing one for another distro that didn't have
> > as much documentation as ubuntu), and company reps will respond quite
> > quickly with Linux support, via email from Asia, if needed. Like I
> > said, great attitude; at one point something broke a year and two days
> > after the warranty ran out, and they still paid for the professional
> > depot replacement, and it wasn't a trivial part, either.
> >
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> > 1. Ubuntu vs Kubuntu (Pay Wahun)
> > 2. Re: Ubuntu vs Kubuntu (Leslie Lewis)
> > 3. TWO QUESTIONS (Maurice Murphy)
> > 4. Suggestion for multi-function printer/scanner was Re: TWO
> > QUESTIONS (Fabian Rodriguez)
> > 5. Re: Ubuntu vs Kubuntu (Peter Whittaker)
> > 6. Re: Suggestion for multi-function printer/scanner was Re: TWO
> > QUESTIONS (Maurice Murphy)
> > 7. Re: Ubuntu vs Kubuntu (G Williams Webmaster Ubuntuvoice.com)
> > 8. Re: Ubuntu vs Kubuntu (Alan Pater)
> >
> >
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:31:03 -0500
> > From: "Pay Wahun"
> > Subject: Ubuntu vs Kubuntu
> > To: ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com
> > Message-ID:
> >
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> >
> > I have read a lot into Kubuntu and Ubuntu, (KDE / GNONE). I was
> > however
> > wondering which of these two platforms is worth a long-term
> > commitment. I
> > think Kubuntu is easier to work with than Ubuntu for a newbie like
> > me. But
> > too much emphasis is placed on Ubuntu, so much that I wonder if
> > Canonical
> > has any long-term commitment towards Kubuntu. Even the recently
> > printed official Ubuntu book pays a lip service towards Kubuntu
> > (KDE) OS and
> > reading from this book, I wonder what the future holds for Kubuntu
> > - and
> > would it be better for me to focus on U instaed of KU?. What do
> > you think?
> > Would appreciate any advice.
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> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:01:13 -0700
> > From: "Leslie Lewis"
> > Subject: Re: Ubuntu vs Kubuntu
> > To: "The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community"
> > Message-ID:
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> > I have no special insight, but I think Kubuntu will be supported
> > as long as
> > there's interest in it, and there seems to be lots. If it's not,
> > there are
> > lots of other KDE-based distributions that will be around for a
> > good long
> > time - Xandros, for instance. Anything you learn and do in Kubuntu
> > will be
> > transferable.
> >
> > But Ubuntu isn't that hard when you get into it. And you can use
> > KDE and
> > GNOME applications in either Kubuntu or Ubuntu.
> >
> > I would say go with what feels best and don't worry about the long
> > term. By
> > the time there's any major change, if there is one, you'll know
> > what you're
> > doing and be able to handle it.
> >
> > You might also like to ask this question on the main Ubuntu forums:
> > http://www.ubuntuforums.org/. The participants are just as helpful
> > and friendly as the people on this list.
> >
> > Leslie in Canmore.
> >
> > On 1/19/07, Pay Wahun wrote:
> > > I have read a lot into Kubuntu and Ubuntu, (KDE / GNONE). I was
> >
> > however
> >
> > > wondering which of these two platforms is worth a long-term
> >
> > commitment. I
> >
> > > think Kubuntu is easier to work with than Ubuntu for a newbie
> >
> > like me. But
> >
> > > too much emphasis is placed on Ubuntu, so much that I wonder if
> >
> > Canonical
> >
> > > has any long-term commitment towards Kubuntu. Even the recently
> > > printed official Ubuntu book pays a lip service towards Kubuntu
> >
> > (KDE) OS and
> >
> > > reading from this book, I wonder what the future holds for
> >
> > Kubuntu - and
> >
> > > would it be better for me to focus on U instaed of KU?. What do
> >
> > you think?
> >
> > > Would appreciate any advice.
> > >
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:43:41 -0500
> > From: Maurice Murphy
> > Subject: TWO QUESTIONS
> > To: UBUNTU CANADA GROUP
> > Message-ID: <45B13B8D.50201 at rogers.com>
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> >
> > Greetings All,
> >
> > 1. Where can I find a driver for a Logitech Fusion web cam?
> >
> > 2. Any suggestions for a compatible scan/print/fax/copy machine?
> >
> > Any suggestions would be most appreciated.
> >
> > Maurice from Nepean
> >
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:54:10 -0500
> > From: Fabian Rodriguez
> > Subject: Suggestion for multi-function printer/scanner was Re: TWO
> > QUESTIONS
> > To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community
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> > Maurice Murphy wrote:
> > > Greetings All,
> > >
> > > [...]
> > > 2. Any suggestions for a compatible scan/print/fax/copy machine?
> >
> > Any HP. HPLIP very nicely implements most if not all of printer and
> > scanner management functions, and XSane does very well with
> > multi-page scans if your machine has an ADF (automatic docs feeder).
> >
> > I have owned Brother and Samsung printers and they're very nice and
> > cheap but all use proprietary driver qhich ultimately mean painful
> > install (and, most importantly, updates).
> >
> > I'd love to hear about other options, though. Checking the recently
> > revamped linuxprinting.org will help too.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Fabi?n Rodr?guez - Ubuntu Quebec Local Community team contact
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuebecTeam
> > Montreal, QC, Canada
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:31:42 -0500
> > From: Peter Whittaker
> > Subject: Re: Ubuntu vs Kubuntu
> > To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community
> > Message-ID: <1169245902.13827.19.camel at EdgeKeep-PC001>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 13:31 -0500, Pay Wahun wrote:
> > > emphasis is placed on Ubuntu, so much that I wonder if Canonical
> > > has any long-term commitment towards Kubuntu
> >
> > My understanding is that Shuttleworth based Ubuntu on Gnome because
> > of his perception of Gnome's commitment to usability, that some KDE fans
> > saw that Ubuntu was good and launched Kubuntu to get their favourite X
> > environment running on their favourite distro, and that
> > Shuttleworth has
> > since switched to Kubuntu.
> >
> > Since the sabdfl use Kubuntu, I expect there will be long-term
> > support.
> > Refer also to http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-commitment.php
> >
> > As for me, I'm still using Ubuntu despite finding more and more I
> > dislike about Gnome's approach to user configuration and
> > preferences*. It's more inertia than anything else for me: I've gotten
> > use to it and I
> > can live with it. But KDE beckons, oh, it beckons the cfg file
> > hacker in
> > me....
> >
> > For a newbie, Ubuntu may be better, because there are fewer
> > options, the
> > user experience is more choreographed/constrained (YMMV). But someone
> > who really wants to explore may prefer KDE because they can configure
> > everything!
> >
> > Either way, I think the long-term legs are there.
> >
> > pww
> >
> > * The approach of some Gnome devs strikes me as paternalism in the
> > guise
> > of usability - it's like being on a Mac - or NeXTStep - back in
> > the day
> > and having little irritations - and serious usability issues -
> > caused by
> > design philosophy. Like the lack of screen saver options in Gnome
> > screen
> > saver because the maintainer doesn't believe in user configuration
> > (so I've been told). Like the lack of PageUp/PageDown on NeXTStations
> > because NeXT design philosophy was that it was a screen not a page. Why
> > they couldn't supply the function and call it ScreenUp/ScreenDown
> > instead I'll never know... ...but that's just me, and I've always
> > been a
> > grumpy old fart.
> >
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> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:51:33 -0500
> > From: Maurice Murphy
> > Subject: Re: Suggestion for multi-function printer/scanner was Re:
> > TWO QUESTIONS
> > To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community
> > Message-ID: <45B175A5.5070708 at rogers.com>
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> > > Maurice Murphy wrote:
> > >> Greetings All,
> > >>
> > >> [...]
> > >> 2. Any suggestions for a compatible scan/print/fax/copy machine?
> > >
> > > Any HP. HPLIP very nicely implements most if not all of printer and
> > > scanner management functions, and XSane does very well with
> >
> > multi-page
> >
> > > scans if your machine has an ADF (automatic docs feeder).
> > >
> > > I have owned Brother and Samsung printers and they're very nice and
> > > cheap but all use proprietary driver qhich ultimately mean painful
> > > install (and, most importantly, updates).
> > >
> > > I'd love to hear about other options, though. Checking the recently
> > > revamped linuxprinting.org will help too.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Fabi?n Rodr?guez - Ubuntu Quebec Local Community team contact
> > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuebecTeam
> > > Montreal, QC, Canada
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> > Hi Fabi?n,
> >
> > Thank you for that very helpful info. I now have a major research
> > project on my hands! So many choices!
> >
> > Maurice from Nepean
> >
> > :-) :-) :-)
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> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:55:19 -0500
> > From: "G Williams Webmaster Ubuntuvoice.com"
> > Subject: Re: Ubuntu vs Kubuntu
> > To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community
> > Message-ID: <45B18497.8070309 at ubuntuvoice.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > Kde does look more attractive to the newbie. It looks for some reason
> > a bit more like Windows than Gnome does, at least out of the box and
> > there are things about it that appear to be a better deal. I think
> > its
> > the fonts and the layouts.
> >
> > Lately though with a purpose in mind I have found Gnome to have as
> > much
> > eye candy (go ahead make it look like Windows) but more under the
> > hood
> > when it comes to applications. KDE comes with a lot of stuff, but as
> > far as stability goes Ubuntu at least is not a distribution that
> > supports it perhaps like Knoppix does. For what I was running it
> > for, it just does not remain stable and the multimedia applications I
> > use Linux for now just aren't anything to write home about in KDE.
> >
> > I suppose I am somewhat of a qualified opinion. Tried running edgy,
> > tried running xubuntu, tried this and that. Dapper is stable and
> > ubuntu has Gnome not KDE.
> >
> > I know how you feel having run everything from Redhat to Mandrake
> > (not
> > Mandriva) to Gentoo, to Caldera ( I know ewww those guys!) looking
> > for something that felt like home.
> >
> > Best advice decide whether you want to learn a *new* OS, get the
> > stable
> > version, and get the distro (if its linux) that suits your needs.
> > The developers always have a preference and its usually for what
> > works
> > and its really their choice as to what they want to work on, so its
> > not your wish list, its theirs.
> >
> > It would mean your either going to develop your own flavour and
> > make it
> > stable or head back to the familiar windows and pay pay pay the
> > price.
> >
> > Its never comfortable to learn or adopt something new. The final and
> > best piece of advice I can give is give it time and make sure you
> > have a
> > copy around of something that works for you.
> >
> > I didn't and probably to some extent, still don't like the feel of
> > Gnome that much. However, having hit my head against the wall enough
> > times, the trade off is fine with me. I will just deal with
> > aesthetics by sucking it up or making it into something that
> > doesn't suck.
> >
> > Hope it helps.
> >
> > Pay Wahun wrote:
> > > I have read a lot into Kubuntu and Ubuntu, (KDE / GNONE). I was
> > > however wondering which of these two platforms is worth a long-term
> > > commitment. I think Kubuntu is easier to work with than Ubuntu
> >
> > for a
> >
> > > newbie like me. But too much emphasis is placed on Ubuntu, so much
> > > that I wonder if Canonical has any long-term commitment towards
> > > Kubuntu. Even the recently printed official Ubuntu book pays a lip
> > > service towards Kubuntu (KDE) OS and reading from this book, I
> >
> > wonder
> >
> > > what the future holds for Kubuntu - and would it be better for
> >
> > me to
> >
> > > focus on U instaed of KU?. What do you think? Would appreciate any
> > > advice.
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:39:42 -0800
> > From: "Alan Pater"
> > Subject: Re: Ubuntu vs Kubuntu
> > To: "The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community"
> > Message-ID:
> > <3d38c22b0701192139s56343941q920bf821c9cb7c81 at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> >
> > I find that Gnome is better for a new user, it is different enough
> > from the MS Windows look and feel that people don't expect to do
> > things exactly the same as they do when using MS Windows. And the
> > focus on usability within Gnome makes it easy to learn.
> >
> > I look at KDE every once in while (you can install both on a default
> > Ubuntu system), but find that I prefer the Gnome Keep-it-Simple look
> > and feel. KDE has too many options and switches and buttons for me.
> > Great if you like to spend a lot of time configuring things though.
> >
> > Plus, Ubuntu Gnome has a much nicer colour scheme then Kubuntu's
> > KDE. :-)
> >
> > On 1/19/07, G Williams Webmaster Ubuntuvoice.com wrote:
> > > Kde does look more attractive to the newbie. It looks for some
> >
> > reason
> >
> > > a bit more like Windows than Gnome does, at least out of the box
> > > and there are things about it that appear to be a better deal. I
> >
> > think its
> >
> > > the fonts and the layouts.
> > >
> > > Lately though with a purpose in mind I have found Gnome to have
> >
> > as much
> >
> > > eye candy (go ahead make it look like Windows) but more under
> >
> > the hood
> >
> > > when it comes to applications. KDE comes with a lot of stuff, but
> > > as far as stability goes Ubuntu at least is not a distribution that
> > > supports it perhaps like Knoppix does. For what I was running it
> > > for, it just does not remain stable and the multimedia
> >
> > applications I
> >
> > > use Linux for now just aren't anything to write home about in KDE.
> > >
> > > I suppose I am somewhat of a qualified opinion. Tried running edgy,
> > > tried running xubuntu, tried this and that. Dapper is stable and
> > > ubuntu has Gnome not KDE.
> > >
> > > I know how you feel having run everything from Redhat to
> >
> > Mandrake (not
> >
> > > Mandriva) to Gentoo, to Caldera ( I know ewww those guys!) looking
> > > for something that felt like home.
> > >
> > > Best advice decide whether you want to learn a *new* OS, get the
> >
> > stable
> >
> > > version, and get the distro (if its linux) that suits your needs.
> > > The developers always have a preference and its usually for what
> >
> > works
> >
> > > and its really their choice as to what they want to work on, so its
> > > not your wish list, its theirs.
> > >
> > > It would mean your either going to develop your own flavour and
> >
> > make it
> >
> > > stable or head back to the familiar windows and pay pay pay the
> >
> > price.
> >
> > > Its never comfortable to learn or adopt something new. The final
> > > and best piece of advice I can give is give it time and make sure
> >
> > you have a
> >
> > > copy around of something that works for you.
> > >
> > > I didn't and probably to some extent, still don't like the feel of
> > > Gnome that much. However, having hit my head against the wall
> > > enough times, the trade off is fine with me. I will just deal with
> > > aesthetics by sucking it up or making it into something that
> >
> > doesn't suck.
> >
> > > Hope it helps.
> > >
> > > Pay Wahun wrote:
> > > > I have read a lot into Kubuntu and Ubuntu, (KDE / GNONE). I was
> > > > however wondering which of these two platforms is worth a
> >
> > long-term
> >
> > > > commitment. I think Kubuntu is easier to work with than Ubuntu
> >
> > for a
> >
> > > > newbie like me. But too much emphasis is placed on Ubuntu, so
> > > > much that I wonder if Canonical has any long-term commitment
> > > > towards Kubuntu. Even the recently printed official Ubuntu book
> > > > pays a lip service towards Kubuntu (KDE) OS and reading from this
> > > > book, I
> >
> > wonder
> >
> > > > what the future holds for Kubuntu - and would it be better for
> >
> > me to
> >
> > > > focus on U instaed of KU?. What do you think? Would appreciate
> > > > any advice.
> > >
> > > --
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> > > ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com
> > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ca
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