Suggestion for multi-function printer/scanner was Re: TWO QUESTIONS
Maurice Murphy
m1625 at rogers.com
Sat Jan 20 16:22:56 UTC 2007
C. Martens wrote:
> About 18 months ago, back in my winblows days, I got tired of buying
> expensive (for inkjets, anyway) printers for which the printer would
> outlast the availability of the very expensive ink refills. I was
> going to go laser, but the downstroke of replacing the toner and drum
> made this prohibitive during my financially-strained periods, so I
> ended up buying an ultra-cheap brother mfc 210c, figuring that if it
> did break down or become hard to buy supplies for, at least I wouldn't
> be out a lot of $. I love it, the company's tech support and attitude
> (they support Linux), and the way I was able to install it pretty
> darned well when I moved to Kubuntu. The companies I work for usually
> have laser, so I occasionally end up doing some things in colour at
> home (e.g. a training dvd insert, overhead presentations), and of
> course, my son's high-school artwork.
>
> The Brother MFC-210C isn't supported by kubuntu out-of-the-CD/box, but
> there are some pretty good howtos about how to install it on the web
> (I even took a stab at writing one for another distro that didn't have
> as much documentation as ubuntu), and company reps will respond quite
> quickly with Linux support, via email from Asia, if needed. Like I
> said, great attitude; at one point something broke a year and two days
> after the warranty ran out, and they still paid for the professional
> depot replacement, and it wasn't a trivial part, either.
>
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> 1. Ubuntu vs Kubuntu (Pay Wahun)
> 2. Re: Ubuntu vs Kubuntu (Leslie Lewis)
> 3. TWO QUESTIONS (Maurice Murphy)
> 4. Suggestion for multi-function printer/scanner was Re: TWO
> QUESTIONS (Fabian Rodriguez)
> 5. Re: Ubuntu vs Kubuntu (Peter Whittaker)
> 6. Re: Suggestion for multi-function printer/scanner was Re: TWO
> QUESTIONS (Maurice Murphy)
> 7. Re: Ubuntu vs Kubuntu (G Williams Webmaster Ubuntuvoice.com)
> 8. Re: Ubuntu vs Kubuntu (Alan Pater)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:31:03 -0500
> From: "Pay Wahun"
> Subject: Ubuntu vs Kubuntu
> To: ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com
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> I have read a lot into Kubuntu and Ubuntu, (KDE / GNONE). I was
> however
> wondering which of these two platforms is worth a long-term
> commitment. I
> think Kubuntu is easier to work with than Ubuntu for a newbie like
> me. But
> too much emphasis is placed on Ubuntu, so much that I wonder if
> Canonical
> has any long-term commitment towards Kubuntu. Even the recently
> printed official Ubuntu book pays a lip service towards Kubuntu
> (KDE) OS and
> reading from this book, I wonder what the future holds for Kubuntu
> - and
> would it be better for me to focus on U instaed of KU?. What do
> you think?
> Would appreciate any advice.
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> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:01:13 -0700
> From: "Leslie Lewis"
> Subject: Re: Ubuntu vs Kubuntu
> To: "The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community"
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> I have no special insight, but I think Kubuntu will be supported
> as long as
> there's interest in it, and there seems to be lots. If it's not,
> there are
> lots of other KDE-based distributions that will be around for a
> good long
> time - Xandros, for instance. Anything you learn and do in Kubuntu
> will be
> transferable.
>
> But Ubuntu isn't that hard when you get into it. And you can use
> KDE and
> GNOME applications in either Kubuntu or Ubuntu.
>
> I would say go with what feels best and don't worry about the long
> term. By
> the time there's any major change, if there is one, you'll know
> what you're
> doing and be able to handle it.
>
> You might also like to ask this question on the main Ubuntu forums:
> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/. The participants are just as helpful and
> friendly as the people on this list.
>
> Leslie in Canmore.
>
>
> On 1/19/07, Pay Wahun wrote:
> >
> > I have read a lot into Kubuntu and Ubuntu, (KDE / GNONE). I was
> however
> > wondering which of these two platforms is worth a long-term
> commitment. I
> > think Kubuntu is easier to work with than Ubuntu for a newbie
> like me. But
> > too much emphasis is placed on Ubuntu, so much that I wonder if
> Canonical
> > has any long-term commitment towards Kubuntu. Even the recently
> > printed official Ubuntu book pays a lip service towards Kubuntu
> (KDE) OS and
> > reading from this book, I wonder what the future holds for
> Kubuntu - and
> > would it be better for me to focus on U instaed of KU?. What do
> you think?
> > Would appreciate any advice.
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:43:41 -0500
> From: Maurice Murphy
> Subject: TWO QUESTIONS
> To: UBUNTU CANADA GROUP
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> Greetings All,
>
> 1. Where can I find a driver for a Logitech Fusion web cam?
>
> 2. Any suggestions for a compatible scan/print/fax/copy machine?
>
> Any suggestions would be most appreciated.
>
> Maurice from Nepean
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> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:54:10 -0500
> From: Fabian Rodriguez
> Subject: Suggestion for multi-function printer/scanner was Re: TWO
> QUESTIONS
> To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community
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> Maurice Murphy wrote:
> > Greetings All,
> >
> > [...]
> > 2. Any suggestions for a compatible scan/print/fax/copy machine?
> Any HP. HPLIP very nicely implements most if not all of printer and
> scanner management functions, and XSane does very well with multi-page
> scans if your machine has an ADF (automatic docs feeder).
>
> I have owned Brother and Samsung printers and they're very nice and
> cheap but all use proprietary driver qhich ultimately mean painful
> install (and, most importantly, updates).
>
> I'd love to hear about other options, though. Checking the recently
> revamped linuxprinting.org will help too.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Fabi?n Rodr?guez - Ubuntu Quebec Local Community team contact
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuebecTeam
> Montreal, QC, Canada
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:31:42 -0500
> From: Peter Whittaker
> Subject: Re: Ubuntu vs Kubuntu
> To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community
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> On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 13:31 -0500, Pay Wahun wrote:
> > emphasis is placed on Ubuntu, so much that I wonder if Canonical has
> > any long-term commitment towards Kubuntu
>
> My understanding is that Shuttleworth based Ubuntu on Gnome because of
> his perception of Gnome's commitment to usability, that some KDE fans
> saw that Ubuntu was good and launched Kubuntu to get their favourite X
> environment running on their favourite distro, and that
> Shuttleworth has
> since switched to Kubuntu.
>
> Since the sabdfl use Kubuntu, I expect there will be long-term
> support.
> Refer also to http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-commitment.php
>
> As for me, I'm still using Ubuntu despite finding more and more I
> dislike about Gnome's approach to user configuration and preferences*.
> It's more inertia than anything else for me: I've gotten use to it
> and I
> can live with it. But KDE beckons, oh, it beckons the cfg file
> hacker in
> me....
>
> For a newbie, Ubuntu may be better, because there are fewer
> options, the
> user experience is more choreographed/constrained (YMMV). But someone
> who really wants to explore may prefer KDE because they can configure
> everything!
>
> Either way, I think the long-term legs are there.
>
> pww
>
> * The approach of some Gnome devs strikes me as paternalism in the
> guise
> of usability - it's like being on a Mac - or NeXTStep - back in
> the day
> and having little irritations - and serious usability issues -
> caused by
> design philosophy. Like the lack of screen saver options in Gnome
> screen
> saver because the maintainer doesn't believe in user configuration (so
> I've been told). Like the lack of PageUp/PageDown on NeXTStations
> because NeXT design philosophy was that it was a screen not a
> page. Why
> they couldn't supply the function and call it ScreenUp/ScreenDown
> instead I'll never know... ...but that's just me, and I've always
> been a
> grumpy old fart.
>
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> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:51:33 -0500
> From: Maurice Murphy
> Subject: Re: Suggestion for multi-function printer/scanner was Re: TWO
> QUESTIONS
> To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community
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> > Maurice Murphy wrote:
> >
> >> Greetings All,
> >>
> >> [...]
> >> 2. Any suggestions for a compatible scan/print/fax/copy machine?
> >>
> > Any HP. HPLIP very nicely implements most if not all of printer and
> > scanner management functions, and XSane does very well with
> multi-page
> > scans if your machine has an ADF (automatic docs feeder).
> >
> > I have owned Brother and Samsung printers and they're very nice and
> > cheap but all use proprietary driver qhich ultimately mean painful
> > install (and, most importantly, updates).
> >
> > I'd love to hear about other options, though. Checking the recently
> > revamped linuxprinting.org will help too.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Fabi?n Rodr?guez - Ubuntu Quebec Local Community team contact
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuebecTeam
> > Montreal, QC, Canada
> >
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> Hi Fabi?n,
>
> Thank you for that very helpful info. I now have a major research
> project on my hands! So many choices!
>
> Maurice from Nepean
> :-) :-) :-)
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> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:55:19 -0500
> From: "G Williams Webmaster Ubuntuvoice.com"
> Subject: Re: Ubuntu vs Kubuntu
> To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community
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> Kde does look more attractive to the newbie. It looks for some reason
> a bit more like Windows than Gnome does, at least out of the box and
> there are things about it that appear to be a better deal. I think
> its
> the fonts and the layouts.
>
> Lately though with a purpose in mind I have found Gnome to have as
> much
> eye candy (go ahead make it look like Windows) but more under the
> hood
> when it comes to applications. KDE comes with a lot of stuff, but as
> far as stability goes Ubuntu at least is not a distribution that
> supports it perhaps like Knoppix does. For what I was running it
> for, it just does not remain stable and the multimedia applications I
> use Linux for now just aren't anything to write home about in KDE.
>
> I suppose I am somewhat of a qualified opinion. Tried running edgy,
> tried running xubuntu, tried this and that. Dapper is stable and
> ubuntu has Gnome not KDE.
>
> I know how you feel having run everything from Redhat to Mandrake
> (not
> Mandriva) to Gentoo, to Caldera ( I know ewww those guys!) looking
> for something that felt like home.
>
> Best advice decide whether you want to learn a *new* OS, get the
> stable
> version, and get the distro (if its linux) that suits your needs.
> The developers always have a preference and its usually for what
> works
> and its really their choice as to what they want to work on, so its
> not your wish list, its theirs.
>
> It would mean your either going to develop your own flavour and
> make it
> stable or head back to the familiar windows and pay pay pay the price.
>
> Its never comfortable to learn or adopt something new. The final and
> best piece of advice I can give is give it time and make sure you
> have a
> copy around of something that works for you.
>
> I didn't and probably to some extent, still don't like the feel of
> Gnome that much. However, having hit my head against the wall enough
> times, the trade off is fine with me. I will just deal with
> aesthetics by sucking it up or making it into something that
> doesn't suck.
>
> Hope it helps.
>
> Pay Wahun wrote:
> > I have read a lot into Kubuntu and Ubuntu, (KDE / GNONE). I was
> > however wondering which of these two platforms is worth a long-term
> > commitment. I think Kubuntu is easier to work with than Ubuntu
> for a
> > newbie like me. But too much emphasis is placed on Ubuntu, so much
> > that I wonder if Canonical has any long-term commitment towards
> > Kubuntu. Even the recently printed official Ubuntu book pays a lip
> > service towards Kubuntu (KDE) OS and reading from this book, I
> wonder
> > what the future holds for Kubuntu - and would it be better for
> me to
> > focus on U instaed of KU?. What do you think? Would appreciate any
> > advice.
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:39:42 -0800
> From: "Alan Pater"
> Subject: Re: Ubuntu vs Kubuntu
> To: "The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community"
> Message-ID:
> <3d38c22b0701192139s56343941q920bf821c9cb7c81 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> I find that Gnome is better for a new user, it is different enough
> from the MS Windows look and feel that people don't expect to do
> things exactly the same as they do when using MS Windows. And the
> focus on usability within Gnome makes it easy to learn.
>
> I look at KDE every once in while (you can install both on a default
> Ubuntu system), but find that I prefer the Gnome Keep-it-Simple look
> and feel. KDE has too many options and switches and buttons for me.
> Great if you like to spend a lot of time configuring things though.
>
> Plus, Ubuntu Gnome has a much nicer colour scheme then Kubuntu's
> KDE. :-)
>
> On 1/19/07, G Williams Webmaster Ubuntuvoice.com wrote:
> > Kde does look more attractive to the newbie. It looks for some
> reason
> > a bit more like Windows than Gnome does, at least out of the box and
> > there are things about it that appear to be a better deal. I
> think its
> > the fonts and the layouts.
> >
> > Lately though with a purpose in mind I have found Gnome to have
> as much
> > eye candy (go ahead make it look like Windows) but more under
> the hood
> > when it comes to applications. KDE comes with a lot of stuff, but as
> > far as stability goes Ubuntu at least is not a distribution that
> > supports it perhaps like Knoppix does. For what I was running it
> > for, it just does not remain stable and the multimedia
> applications I
> > use Linux for now just aren't anything to write home about in KDE.
> >
> > I suppose I am somewhat of a qualified opinion. Tried running edgy,
> > tried running xubuntu, tried this and that. Dapper is stable and
> > ubuntu has Gnome not KDE.
> >
> > I know how you feel having run everything from Redhat to
> Mandrake (not
> > Mandriva) to Gentoo, to Caldera ( I know ewww those guys!) looking
> > for something that felt like home.
> >
> > Best advice decide whether you want to learn a *new* OS, get the
> stable
> > version, and get the distro (if its linux) that suits your needs.
> > The developers always have a preference and its usually for what
> works
> > and its really their choice as to what they want to work on, so its
> > not your wish list, its theirs.
> >
> > It would mean your either going to develop your own flavour and
> make it
> > stable or head back to the familiar windows and pay pay pay the
> price.
> >
> > Its never comfortable to learn or adopt something new. The final and
> > best piece of advice I can give is give it time and make sure
> you have a
> > copy around of something that works for you.
> >
> > I didn't and probably to some extent, still don't like the feel of
> > Gnome that much. However, having hit my head against the wall enough
> > times, the trade off is fine with me. I will just deal with
> > aesthetics by sucking it up or making it into something that
> doesn't suck.
> >
> > Hope it helps.
> >
> > Pay Wahun wrote:
> > > I have read a lot into Kubuntu and Ubuntu, (KDE / GNONE). I was
> > > however wondering which of these two platforms is worth a
> long-term
> > > commitment. I think Kubuntu is easier to work with than Ubuntu
> for a
> > > newbie like me. But too much emphasis is placed on Ubuntu, so much
> > > that I wonder if Canonical has any long-term commitment towards
> > > Kubuntu. Even the recently printed official Ubuntu book pays a lip
> > > service towards Kubuntu (KDE) OS and reading from this book, I
> wonder
> > > what the future holds for Kubuntu - and would it be better for
> me to
> > > focus on U instaed of KU?. What do you think? Would appreciate any
> > > advice.
> >
> >
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Many thanks for the input.
Best,
Maurice from Nepean
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